Controversial Notes and Pitching Help (11,591 views)

[Puffin]

Not sure where else to put this, but does anyone think that the B flat 4s at 5:12 onwards could be Phil Collins? He's credited with additional vocals on this album.

[Henny Macc]

We were discussing this note on Discord the other day, and there seemed to be a wide range of opinions on it:

I was hearing it as a screamy/overtoney B♭5 while Tony Iommi's guitar played a D5 under it. Apparently queenfan11 hears it as the opposite - with Iommi playing a B♭5 and Dio hitting a rough D5. Baronessa hears Iommi's guitar note as a D5 as well, but also hears Dio's vocal note as a D5 or E♭5. Then MrToddington described it as "F5ish with weird overtoney stuff", but wasn't really sure and said that he might need to give it a spectrograph analysis.

I'm like, 100% sure that Iommi's guitar note is a D5 at the very least. I was reasonably confident that Dio's vocal note was a B♭5 too, but the amount of other opinions is making me second-guess that much a little, so I figured I'd bring it up here to see what people think.

[tungsten]

Sept 20, 2022 5:02:31 GMT Henny Macc said:

We were discussing this note on Discord the other day, and there seemed to be a wide range of opinions on it:

I was hearing it as a screamy/overtoney B♭5 while Tony Iommi's guitar played a D5 under it. Apparently queenfan11 hears it as the opposite - with Iommi playing a B♭5 and Dio hitting a rough D5. Baronessa hears Iommi's guitar note as a D5 as well, but also hears Dio's vocal note as a D5 or E♭5. Then MrToddington described it as "F5ish with weird overtoney stuff", but wasn't really sure and said that he might need to give it a spectrograph analysis.

I'm like, 100% sure that Iommi's guitar note is a D5 at the very least. I was reasonably confident that Dio's vocal note was a B♭5 too, but the amount of other opinions is making me second-guess that much a little, so I figured I'd bring it up here to see what people think.

At the beginning of the scream we see Tony's middle finger sitting on 12th or 13th fret. This song was in d# but I've read they lowered the tuning half step during that tour so he's probably playing D5/D#5 at this moment.

[Platypus]

I agree with Todd on that one

[Henny Macc]

Sept 20, 2022 20:43:30 GMT tungsten said:

Sept 20, 2022 5:02:31 GMT Henny Macc said:

We were discussing this note on Discord the other day, and there seemed to be a wide range of opinions on it:

I was hearing it as a screamy/overtoney B♭5 while Tony Iommi's guitar played a D5 under it. Apparently queenfan11 hears it as the opposite - with Iommi playing a B♭5 and Dio hitting a rough D5. Baronessa hears Iommi's guitar note as a D5 as well, but also hears Dio's vocal note as a D5 or E♭5. Then MrToddington described it as "F5ish with weird overtoney stuff", but wasn't really sure and said that he might need to give it a spectrograph analysis.

I'm like, 100% sure that Iommi's guitar note is a D5 at the very least. I was reasonably confident that Dio's vocal note was a B♭5 too, but the amount of other opinions is making me second-guess that much a little, so I figured I'd bring it up here to see what people think.

At the beginning of the scream we see Tony's middle finger sitting on 12th or 13th fret. This song was in d# but I've read they lowered the tuning half step during that tour so he's probably playing D5/D#5 at this moment.

Yeah like I said, I didn't have many doubts that Iommi's note was a D5, but that's a pretty good objective proof of it for anyone who had doubts. No way could he play a B♭5 with his finger positioned there.

[CT]

I thought this was 6th octave and motorist thinks it’s a C5 with really strong and weird overtones m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QHRhA6jrY&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D&t=30s

[sylvia!!]

Oct 31, 2022 1:03:11 GMT CT said:

I thought this was 6th octave and motorist thinks it’s a C5 with really strong and weird overtones m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QHRhA6jrY&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D&t=30s

1. it's definitely not 6th octave 
2. how tf was this note even produced

[CT]

Nov 16, 2022 8:14:45 GMT sylvia!! said:

Oct 31, 2022 1:03:11 GMT CT said:

I thought this was 6th octave and motorist thinks it’s a C5 with really strong and weird overtones m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QHRhA6jrY&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D&t=30s

1. it's definitely not 6th octave 
2. how tf was this note even produced

he has a few notes later in his career that are produced with um rather interesting techniques that are unknown to science

[avi]

youtu.be/l53AsTijJKQ?t=89 , the screaming in the background. Platypus (who I concede is infinitely more reliable than I am) says F5 and I say C6. If I don't get any follow-ups in a few days I'll just change it to F5, but I thought I might as well try here. Tried the Shoutbox too.

[rootyrootz]

Sept 6, 2023 23:44:44 GMT avi said:

youtu.be/l53AsTijJKQ?t=89 , the screaming in the background. Platypus (who I concede is infinitely more reliable than I am) says F5 and I say C6. If I don't get any follow-ups in a few days I'll just change it to F5, but I thought I might as well try here. Tried the Shoutbox too.

I also hear a C6 right around 1:35, correct? imo i would spoil it but it's your thread ofc

[sylvia!!]

Sept 6, 2023 23:44:44 GMT avi said:

youtu.be/l53AsTijJKQ?t=89 , the screaming in the background. Platypus (who I concede is infinitely more reliable than I am) says F5 and I say C6. If I don't get any follow-ups in a few days I'll just change it to F5, but I thought I might as well try here. Tried the Shoutbox too.

i personally think that it's in the f5 area more than f5 but i do agree that it's not a c6

[Osmosis]

Wanting to move along some of my WIP threads and one of the outstanding issues is Ricky Gervais' alleged C2. Macca and I think he gets to C2 but BAZanine thinks he stops at C#.

[Goober]

C#2 i thinks

[senatorsenpai]

I think I agree with C2, but the low quality upload makes it difficult to tell. Was that recording given a proper HQ release?

[blazejecar2]

Team C2

[Osmosis]

Jan 8, 2024 12:42:07 GMT senatorsenpai said:

I think I agree with C2, but the low quality upload makes it difficult to tell. Was that recording given a proper HQ release?

youtu.be/SKJXAIl8Kw4?feature=shared&t=73 This is another upload but it doesn't sound much improved. 

It isn't on spotify and can only be found on a DVD which is probably the source of these uploads. This is the best we have unfortunately. 

[Osmosis]

What happens now then? It's 4 for C2 vs 3 C#2 (if you count Electric Mami's like as a vote)

[Electric Mami]

In that case I'd say ask for more opinions (we can do it via the Discord) to get a clearer majority and take a decision

[Henny Macc]

Jan 7, 2024 22:20:28 GMT Osmosis said:

Wanting to move along some of my WIP threads and one of the outstanding issues is Ricky Gervais' alleged C2. Macca and I think he gets to C2 but BAZanine thinks he stops at C#.

Definitely a C2

[rootyrootz]

I hear a C2 from Ricky

[Osmosis]

C2 is the majority vote then. No new votes came through from Discord. C2 - 6 and C#2 -3. I'm going to keep it as it is therefore.

[Baronessa]

Hey, so since the conditions on the OP are kind of outdated, I rebranded this thread to include pitching advice and help also. Like I said on the edited OP though, if the singer you're asking about already has a thread it'd be appreciated if you asked on their thread instead (or on the Discord server if you're on there).

[sangeet]

Hi all, I'd like to know the likely lowest note by this well-regarded eastern classical singer.

The relevant video & timestamps are 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3PKUk_hKSo&t=123s

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQcxlLyE-A8&t=255s

Thanks!

[Electric Mami]

C♯2, great tone
C♯2 as well, a little more rocky but good too

[mangellain]

Hello, I would like help to get this note, I think the main note is in E5 but I can't get the other notes that accompany it.