Post by brookesquatchy on Mar 18, 2023 10:27:40 GMT
Castellucci has a growl demonstration here : youtu.be/VyCDxVehjxI?t=153
Not as good as the first G1 you linked but it has a definite pitch.
If we take a look at the black bolded notes, the G1 is a subharmonic note. The B1s from "Amazing Grace" have a more pleasant tone, it's probably chest voice throughout.
You've been fairly respectful so far so I apologize if this comes off as rude but to be frank it doesn't seem you're particularly familiar with Tim's voice as a whole and additionally don't seem to be adept at identifying registration in singers' voices with whom you are not particularly familiar with. Aside from the befuddling usage of multiple prepositions to describe the relation between the videos I've sent, there's a good bit to address with what you've said here.
Firstly, the notion that a clearly sung note can be "close to being non-melodic" is a bit of an odd choice in phrasing. I think I understand what you mean in that the pitch is muddy but that doesn't remotely mean its non melodic or anything close to it.
Secondly, what was the purpose of sending a growl demonstration from someone who is not Tim Foust? If it's for the sake of reference I've fairly clearly described the trademark timbre of growl and understand the auditory discrepancies between it and Tim's implementation of chest voice/a chest-like M0 tone. If it's for comparison's sake the context and implementation of the note are so different it's hardly worth mentioning relative to Tim's growls. At best it's tangential and at worst is condescending.
Thirdly, his black bolded G1 is not a subharmonic. Tim has never demonstrated the capability to execute subharmonic notes intentionally to any capacity whatsoever. It was formerly believed his E1 in "Just Sing" was a subharmonic note and the parameters of grey text listed in the footnote as they applied to this thread were adjusted to account for such. However, it was determined fairly soon after this was implemented that said E1 lacked a fundamental tone an octave higher and therefore couldn't be a subharmonic, and the footnote was changed to exclude subharmonic notes as it did previously. All the while, Hillbilly Bone's G1 remained black, considering it is not a subharmonic, as it lacks the aforementioned fundamental necessary for the note to be in the undertone series. It is instead what some would colloquially call "chest-fry," which is a phrase used to describe the tonal quality of a type of M0 singing that maintains some level of chest-like resonance and timbre while still clearly being pulse registration akin to vocal fry, identifiable by its distinct rattle. It was determined by those with authority over this thread that said G1 was not overtly fryish enough to be categorized as strictly a fried note, and thus is formatted as black.
The G1s sung in live versions of Ain't Goin' Down seemingly aren't even attempted in growl, as in the recordings where he does not manage such a smooth tone as the ones presented he slips into something more reminiscent of his tone on the Hillbilly Bone G1, embodying a more fryish tone.
I'll give one last attempt at a case that growl and the former G1s sound fundamentally different on mic. Here he goes for what is definitely a G1 growl (I am awful at pitching low notes so admittedly my pitch may be off but that's beyond a shadow of a doubt a growl note) during Some Girls Do. At the same show, recorded on the same phone by the same person, there is a fundamental difference in the tonal clarity, overtone pattern, and the sound system's response to the sound being made by his voice in the G1 during their performance of Ain't Goin' Down. You could use that G1 or the one closer to the end of the song, the difference remains the same. As someone who has seen Home Free live 4 times and has been listening to them for over 6 years, I implore you to believe that I know what I'm talking about when I say I understand the markers of how do identify what register Tim is singing a contra octave note. And if you're thinking about arguing this point, a difference in vowel shape does not a difference like this make. Growl notes have such understated overtones and convey so much bass to the subwoofers that in a live setting, especially in the way Tim implements growls, the perceivable difference between a hum and an open vowel is actually fairly minimal in a growl register. Additionally, I have very seldom heard Tim use appropriate vowel sounds as open/bright as the one in the word "down" for live growl notes anyway. This note for example almost sounds like a lip buzz rather than the "I" vowel sound the original recording and natural pronunciation of the word fire have, and yet again, while the sound system is different, it audibly maintains an airy rattle that the Ain't Goin Down G1s lack. There are countless examples of Tim avoiding the use of vowel sounds on growls in live performances, where in the original he uses vowel sounds such as "ay" or "ow" or "ah" or what have you.
Idk what else I can tell you to convince you so if you still don't believe me then to each their own but I personally am quite literally 100% confident that is not a growl note. Believe what you want to believe it makes no difference to me
