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Post by innuendo on Mar 17, 2022 20:22:24 GMT
Actually at 1:31 the lead vocal goes up to a C5, and the backing vocal goes up to A♭5, creating a harmony... I can accept not bolding the C2s (though they are quite good notes), but at the very least they should definitely be listed. Indeed they should be listed I actually hear the harmony as a Bb5, Hope my ears aren't tricking be. I'll give a relisten to them and I'll repitch them |
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Post by innuendo on Mar 19, 2022 20:26:28 GMT
I'm thinking about bolding the B1s in Diabolus, what do you think about that? That's a pretty strong passage by my ears.
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Post by Henny Macc on Mar 21, 2022 2:30:59 GMT
I'm thinking about bolding the B1s in Diabolus, what do you think about that? That's a pretty strong passage by my ears. Meh, they're pretty strong but most people are generally not fans of bolding spoken passages unless they're like insanely strong notes and the passage heavily sits around that pitch. "Diabolus" has some strong dips down to B1 during its spoken passage, but it's mostly done around some strong D2s/C♯2s otherwise. I honestly think the C2s and B♭1s in "King of Madness" would be more of a boldable choice of notes in that range, but we don't necessarily have to feature any.
Another bold low note suggestion that I was going to make were the E2s in "Killbound".
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Post by innuendo on Mar 21, 2022 15:26:46 GMT
The E2s in Killbound are definetely legit boldworthy notes!
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Post by innuendo on Mar 22, 2022 21:19:28 GMT
Feel free to go through those and see if you can deduce what those missing clips are, I'm also gonna call in Siren to investigate this one since he was able to help identify that live C6 clip as being from "Chainbreaker". In the meantime, however, I took a listen to "King of Madness" (looks like there's no "the" in the title of that one btw), and found that the B♭1s are not only quite legit, but actually quite clearly lead vocal! I heard some pretty audible notes at that pitch here, and also at the end around 3:50. Quite a bit more convincing than the "No Return" B♭1, I must say. In addition to that, there are also some very strong C2s on the verses (like at 0:48) that I'd consider lead vocal and possibly even boldable, as well as some A♭5s on the choruses (like at 1:26) that should be listed as well. I do not, however, hear a B♭5 listed anywhere, which I notice you do have it listed for. I was able to detect the missing songs from the Ralf Scheepers' videos! Here's what I got: 1st Video: 1:25 Criminal (Tyran' Pace) 2:13 Scared Illusions (Primal Fear, Devil's Ground) 2:28 Matter Of Time (Tyran' Pace) 4:21 Fire In Your Eyes (Tyran' Pace) 2nd Video: 4:55 Running In The Dust (Primal Fear) All of these notes are legit boldworthy notes, especially the G#5 in Fire In Your Eyes. |
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Post by Henny Macc on Mar 23, 2022 6:24:55 GMT
Great work! I had never heard those Tyran' Pace songs before, so I doubt I would've been able to figure out those ones without your help. As for the others, I guess I hadn't thought to check "Running in the Dust" for that F♯5 because I assumed the F♯5 in that one must've been the opening note included in the other range video. Didn't even realize both videos featured F♯5s from different parts of that song!
As for the "Sacred Illusions" F♯5, it looks like I must've mistakenly marked that as an F5 instead, which it appears to still be listed as now, so that's definitely a correction that should be made. Make sure you're double checking all the old research as you're going through this - I'd say it's mostly accurate, but not 100% infallible. So maybe when you notewatch a song, check to see what notes it might already be listed for in the thread and then cross-compare that with what you hear as you go through it. That's typically how I do it when rechecking old research that may need some tweaking.
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Post by innuendo on Apr 25, 2022 16:38:28 GMT
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Post by blazejecar2 on May 19, 2022 11:47:46 GMT
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Post by Henny Macc on Aug 18, 2023 19:48:41 GMT
Here's a cool duet track with Roland Grapow of Helloween off Grapow's first solo album, called "Searching for Solutions". For Ralf's parts I'm hearing a B♭4 at 25:24, B4 at 24:35, an E♭5 at 25:45, a slide up to an epic sustained E5 (with an A♭5 harmony) at 27:45, and then a more audible A♭5 at 29:33. What I'm not sure about is who's doing what parts on the chorus, as heard at 25:51, 26:45, and 28:58. It sounds like it's triple tracked - with one layer sung in the fifth octave between E♭4 and A♭5, one layer sung in the fourth octave between E♭3 and A♭4, and one that's sung in the third octave between E♭2 and A♭3. The fifth octave one is very clearly Ralf, the fourth octave one sounds like it's either Ralf by himself or Ralf and Grapow layered together...but then who is the third octave one? Cause those E2s and E♭2s that it gets down to would be worth jotting down for whoever's hitting them  |
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Post by innuendo on Sept 29, 2023 19:16:52 GMT
Here's a cool duet track with Roland Grapow of Helloween off Grapow's first solo album, called "Searching for Solutions". For Ralf's parts I'm hearing a B♭4 at 25:24, B4 at 24:35, an E♭5 at 25:45, a slide up to an epic sustained E5 (with an A♭5 harmony) at 27:45, and then a more audible A♭5 at 29:33. What I'm not sure about is who's doing what parts on the chorus, as heard at 25:51, 26:45, and 28:58. It sounds like it's triple tracked - with one layer sung in the fifth octave between E♭4 and A♭5, one layer sung in the fourth octave between E♭3 and A♭4, and one that's sung in the third octave between E♭2 and A♭3. The fifth octave one is very clearly Ralf, the fourth octave one sounds like it's either Ralf by himself or Ralf and Grapow layered together...but then who is the third octave one? Cause those E2s and E♭2s that it gets down to would be worth jotting down for whoever's hitting them Excellent find (I'm a bit late  )! Every note you pointed out is going to be added, maybe with the E5 being bolded. Regarding the E♭2s, unless I'm being tricked by the bass guitar, I hear them as Ralf's voice actually. I know it's a bit difficult to tell, due to the triple track, but I think it's him. Also, are those notes around 29:20 sung by him (getting them as low as A♭2) or Grapow? |
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Post by innuendo on Oct 1, 2023 18:58:16 GMT
Also, I went on to notewatch Primal Fear's new album Code Red, and I found out some tricky bits: - here's the bolded line from Bring That Noise ( youtu.be/Zp7QxT9VHbM?si=ZV_-Kk4s2_C7acpd&t=160 ), which goes D5 (" Bring"), E♭5 (" That") and F5 (" Noise"), talking about the lead vocal line; that been said, I think I'm hearing a backing A5 (" Bring"), that goes up to a B♭5 (" That"), which eventually gets down to the lead F5. I don't know if the pitches are correct, since they're pretty difficult notes to hear. Thoughts and opinions anyone? - even more trickier is a bit from the song Deep In The Night ( youtu.be/g7mT9i7_PnU?si=lzfD8DAv4JWcTQXV&t=335 ). The lead vocal line contains nothing exceptional, but I think I hear a very low (and buried) backing vocal, especially on the lines " Deep In The Night" and " I'm not your fool anymore", which may get as low as F1- A1 area. Can someone give a listen to it and share an opinion? About the second bit, I feel like those note should be listed as questionable (if they actually exist), because they're extremely difficult to hear. |
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Post by innuendo on Oct 7, 2023 20:15:38 GMT
Finished notewatching Code Red, and here are my thoughts about it: pretty good album overall, maybe the best of the last five they released; the vocals are very good, and Ralf shows even better control in the A4-D5 area than before, although sounding a little bit weaker in the G5-A5 area ( Raged By Pain G5s are still excellent to me). His approach may sound a little chestier, as shown by the C♯5s in Deep In The Nights (those notes are very nice too). I'm still very doubtful about some notes, in particular: B1s from Cancel Culture (I'm hearing some backing vocals, very obscured; same problem as the F1-A1 notes), A5 from Play A Song (not sure if its him, some backing vocals that harmonize the main D5s), the whole chorus section in Their Gods Have Failed (I wasn't able to pitch the notes, it's pretty difficult). If someone can give a listen to those and share an opinion, it would be well accepted  . |
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Post by Henny Macc on Oct 9, 2023 19:51:22 GMT
Also, I went on to notewatch Primal Fear's new album Code Red, and I found out some tricky bits: - here's the bolded line from Bring That Noise ( youtu.be/Zp7QxT9VHbM?si=ZV_-Kk4s2_C7acpd&t=160 ), which goes D5 (" Bring"), E♭5 (" That") and F5 (" Noise"), talking about the lead vocal line; that been said, I think I'm hearing a backing A5 (" Bring"), that goes up to a B♭5 (" That"), which eventually gets down to the lead F5. I don't know if the pitches are correct, since they're pretty difficult notes to hear. Thoughts and opinions anyone? I'm pretty confident that this tops at G♯5. You've got the notes for the lead vocal melody right, but the backing harmony to me sounds like G5-G♯5-G♯5 - even more trickier is a bit from the song Deep In The Night ( youtu.be/g7mT9i7_PnU?si=lzfD8DAv4JWcTQXV&t=335 ). The lead vocal line contains nothing exceptional, but I think I hear a very low (and buried) backing vocal, especially on the lines " Deep In The Night" and " I'm not your fool anymore", which may get as low as F1- A1 area. Can someone give a listen to it and share an opinion? About the second bit, I feel like those note should be listed as questionable (if they actually exist), because they're extremely difficult to hear. I have no idea where you're getting this, because I'm not hearing anything lower than D3 anywhere in there. Are you sure you're not getting his vocals mixed up with the bass? |
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Post by innuendo on Oct 9, 2023 20:37:32 GMT
Also, I went on to notewatch Primal Fear's new album Code Red, and I found out some tricky bits: - here's the bolded line from Bring That Noise ( youtu.be/Zp7QxT9VHbM?si=ZV_-Kk4s2_C7acpd&t=160 ), which goes D5 (" Bring"), E♭5 (" That") and F5 (" Noise"), talking about the lead vocal line; that been said, I think I'm hearing a backing A5 (" Bring"), that goes up to a B♭5 (" That"), which eventually gets down to the lead F5. I don't know if the pitches are correct, since they're pretty difficult notes to hear. Thoughts and opinions anyone? I'm pretty confident that this tops at G♯5. You've got the notes for the lead vocal melody right, but the backing harmony to me sounds like G5-G♯5-G♯5 - even more trickier is a bit from the song Deep In The Night ( youtu.be/g7mT9i7_PnU?si=lzfD8DAv4JWcTQXV&t=335 ). The lead vocal line contains nothing exceptional, but I think I hear a very low (and buried) backing vocal, especially on the lines " Deep In The Night" and " I'm not your fool anymore", which may get as low as F1- A1 area. Can someone give a listen to it and share an opinion? About the second bit, I feel like those note should be listed as questionable (if they actually exist), because they're extremely difficult to hear. I have no idea where you're getting this, because I'm not hearing anything lower than D3 anywhere in there. Are you sure you're not getting his vocals mixed up with the bass? About the notes in Deep In The Night, they definetely don't exist exist, my ears are tricking me; got fooled by some mixing stuff. The same goes with Cancel Culture B1s, but I'll have further checks on that one. About Bring That Noise, I rechecked it and I got the same pitches as you; I'm going to add them. |
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Post by mangellain on Mar 1, 2024 17:42:28 GMT
Hello, a question, when is Bb5 on Space Eater?
I have never been able to hear it.
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)! Every note you pointed out is going to be added, maybe with the E5 being bolded. Regarding the E♭2s, unless I'm being tricked by the bass guitar, I hear them as Ralf's voice actually. I know it's a bit difficult to tell, due to the triple track, but I think it's him. Also, are those notes around 29:20 sung by him (getting them as low as A♭2) or Grapow?
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