Lord Crobath (3,752 views)

[analC***fan1000]

Crobath if you're reading this Dark Tranquillity > Insomnium

[Yojojo]

Okay look dude, this whole memeing on your friend got a little out of hand and I am deeply sorry to Lord Crobath. I get our standards here that aren't explicitly outlined, it's all subjective and relative, so it can be a little hard.

...with all that in mind, we usually like a little more volume on our low notes... and when you tell us to "wear good headphones" to hear the low notes, maaaaybe a few low notes should left off the thread? Look, Lord Crobath sounds like a talented vocalist. It does sound like he is legit, hell, some of the 7th octave stuff does sound legit. What I think you fail to realise is that not every single squeak and creak that he makes is countable.

[CT]

My good friend Brandon is a huge lord crobath fan he would like him to cover “Nose on the Grindstone”

[Homelander]

Mar 22, 2024 21:28:27 GMT Yojojo said:

Okay look dude, this whole memeing on your friend got a little out of hand and I am deeply sorry to Lord Crobath. I get our standards here that aren't explicitly outlined, it's all subjective and relative, so it can be a little hard.

...with all that in mind, we usually like a little more volume on our low notes... and when you tell us to "wear good headphones" to hear the low notes, maaaaybe a few low notes should left off the thread? Look, Lord Crobath sounds like a talented vocalist. It does sound like he is legit, hell, some of the 7th octave stuff does sound legit. What I think you fail to realise is that not every single squeak and creak that he makes is countable.

I think this is the only good, professional reply to this thread so far. Many people on this site can be overly critical to new users, so I think this is the correct approach to dealing with things like this.

[Macca]

Mar 22, 2024 22:32:48 GMT CT said:

My good friend Brandon is a huge lord crobath fan he would like him to cover “Nose on the Grindstone”

Brandon looks likes if John Deacon and Ringo Starr had a baby and mostly listens to Imagine Dragons, OneRepublic and Coldplay. Not being mean just saying.

[hostile1911]

Lord Crobath is 100% legit, i made music with him and was on karaoke with him multiple times. I know you don't have to believe a stranger on a forum but hey, what else can you do.

[Henny Macc]

Could it be that Lord Crobath is indeed the second coming of Claudio Illusionati?!?

[xxlordcrobath69xx]

Mar 23, 2024 12:20:44 GMT hostile1911 said:

Lord Crobath is 100% legit, i made music with him and was on karaoke with him multiple times. I know you don't have to believe a stranger on a forum but hey, what else can you do.

Who the fuck are you 

[Homelander]

Alright, guys. I think this situation is getting out of hand. Let's stop being immature and offer actual constructive feedback to the thread.

[earmuse]

Alright, I'm gonna leave one last reply on this and you can do with the thread whatever you want. Delete it, reduce the range to C4-C#4 or meme it into oblivion, up to you.

Since Yojojo was the only one with a comment worth replying to, I'll reply to that:

1. mixing something lower in the mix does not mean the note itself is quiet, if it did, you should discredit all backing vocals on all threads on this entire site, as they are mixed to a low volume, therefore you cannot determine if they are loud and projected or not.
2. You need to wear good headphones because the notes are LOW. If you want to hear a C0 loudly, you need to use vocal fry, at which point you would discredit the note because it would be vocal fry.

And example for both those cases is the Tim Foust "Fishin' in the Dark/Down in the Boondocks" B0. It's quiet in the mix and you need to wear good headphones and possibly someone needs to bass boost the recording for you to hear it properly. Additionally, it's produced via the exact same growl technique Lord Crobath uses. That B0 is counted no problem. Lord Crobath's is discredited.
The reason isn't that Tim's note is any different, but Tim gets a pass simply because he is a low voice type. And that's really the hypocrisy here.

Anyway, moot point on all fronts, you can test and put a machine-generated D0 at any volume you want into a song and see how hard it is to hear. Volume isn't the issue, your hearing range is. If you watched the response video, it's demonstrated there as well. The low notes ARE loud, but they don't use vocal fry clicks as a frequency, they are actually using bass. Idk how else I can explain this to you. And high notes I'm not debating. His high whistles are loud and I put them on 10% volume or even less when mixing them because those pitches are annoyingly piercing in a mix (and low notes sometimes too, because loud low frequency bass drowns the rest of the instruments). He demonstrated plenty of 8th octave notes in the video and it's clear he can dish them out on a random day. You have counted MANY one-off never-replicated whistles or yelps for other singers. When has Elton John done his D6 live? Or ever again? His 2nd highest is an A5. Somehow from one never in his lifetime replicated D6 "woo" you assume he can control that part of his range well enough to count it when he may not be able to, but on the other hand, you have like 15 2nd octave notes for Steve Perry and you count none of them because they are "speaking" or whatever shit and it's absolutely 100% unreasonable to believe he can't hit a proper B2 if he tried. Likewise, Lord Crobath's 1st and 0th, as well as higher octave notes have been done numerous times, used in many songs melodically, with intent, with practiced technique, sustained, demonstrated on camera, performed live over a span of about 6 years now and it's still not enough.

And from Lord Crobath on this:

"Look, I don't gain or lose anything from people online believing or not believing my range. If they count 1 octave or 10 it makes no difference to me. But I am quite disappointed with the way this was addressed. I get it, they don't want people to have too crazy or unrealistic ranges and I understand singers who practice both ends of their range are rare, thus bonkers ranges are taken with a grain of salt, I get that. They are correct to be skeptical. I would be too. I'm sure you didn't expect people to just accept a 9 octave range without question either. But as a long-time forum user, I expected some open mindedness, curiosity and some kind of civil response, especially considering the amount of proof that's available, including the ACTUAL ARTIST being a forum user. The memes are funny and all, but this forum also lost a metric ton of credibility for me. I doubt the forum's knowledge now and next time someone is like "that F6 is probably inhaled/with overtones" I won't listen and I'll double down, make the F6 black and bold it. That's all that was achieved with this. But feel free to prove me wrong.
About 2-3 years ago I took a bit of time to construct this test and then abandoned it. I intended to post it separately on my own as a tutorial on how to determine non-countable notes, but this is actually the perfect opportunity to finish it, rework it into a test and share it. Don't be fooled by some examples from the thread. I may have re-recorded some things with different techniques to throw you off. Do you actually know what you're talking about? Test yourself. And hey, doesn't the ability to construct this test and produce pitches with so many different techniques count them towards my range?
But yea, if people want me to prove anything, name the conditions and I'll do it. I'm confident I can produce anything on that thread any time at any conditions they ask. And if people prove a single note on the thread is faked or pitch shifted by more than 1/4 note, I'll...idk, make sure to give a prize."

[Bink]

My real question is, if you really do have this much range, wtf are you doing here on a random internet forum and not trying to get a spot at Guiness or something.

[IhateMana]

not reading that essay

[Rodney Blazershorts]

Apr 6, 2024 11:04:14 GMT earmuse said:

"Look, I don't gain or lose anything from people online believing or not believing my range. If they count 1 octave or 10 it makes no difference to me. But I am quite disappointed with the way this was addressed. I get it, they don't want people to have too crazy or unrealistic ranges and I understand singers who practice both ends of their range are rare, thus bonkers ranges are taken with a grain of salt, I get that. They are correct to be skeptical. I would be too. I'm sure you didn't expect people to just accept a 9 octave range without question either. But as a long-time forum user, I expected some open mindedness, curiosity and some kind of civil response, especially considering the amount of proof that's available, including the ACTUAL ARTIST being a forum user. The memes are funny and all, but this forum also lost a metric ton of credibility for me. I doubt the forum's knowledge now and next time someone is like "that F6 is probably inhaled/with overtones" I won't listen and I'll double down, make the F6 black and bold it. That's all that was achieved with this. But feel free to prove me wrong.
About 2-3 years ago I took a bit of time to construct this test and then abandoned it. I intended to post it separately on my own as a tutorial on how to determine non-countable notes, but this is actually the perfect opportunity to finish it, rework it into a test and share it. Don't be fooled by some examples from the thread. I may have re-recorded some things with different techniques to throw you off. Do you actually know what you're talking about? Test yourself. And hey, doesn't the ability to construct this test and produce pitches with so many different techniques count them towards my range?
But yea, if people want me to prove anything, name the conditions and I'll do it. I'm confident I can produce anything on that thread any time at any conditions they ask. And if people prove a single note on the thread is faked or pitch shifted by more than 1/4 note, I'll...idk, make sure to give a prize."

That's pretty cool stuff. We actually have an entire subforum for forum members to show off their range/singing ability and some people are really good. As opposed to, you know, an entire thread full of stuff nobody but the single-topic OP can verify, or even acknowledge.

[Yojojo]

Apr 6, 2024 11:04:14 GMT earmuse said:

Alright, I'm gonna leave one last reply on this and you can do with the thread whatever you want. Delete it, reduce the range to C4-C#4 or meme it into oblivion, up to you.

Since Yojojo was the only one with a comment worth replying to, I'll reply to that:

1. mixing something lower in the mix does not mean the note itself is quiet, if it did, you should discredit all backing vocals on all threads on this entire site, as they are mixed to a low volume, therefore you cannot determine if they are loud and projected or not.
2. You need to wear good headphones because the notes are LOW. If you want to hear a C0 loudly, you need to use vocal fry, at which point you would discredit the note because it would be vocal fry.

And example for both those cases is the Tim Foust "Fishin' in the Dark/Down in the Boondocks" B0. It's quiet in the mix and you need to wear good headphones and possibly someone needs to bass boost the recording for you to hear it properly. Additionally, it's produced via the exact same growl technique Lord Crobath uses. That B0 is counted no problem. Lord Crobath's is discredited.
The reason isn't that Tim's note is any different, but Tim gets a pass simply because he is a low voice type. And that's really the hypocrisy here.

Anyway, moot point on all fronts, you can test and put a machine-generated D0 at any volume you want into a song and see how hard it is to hear. Volume isn't the issue, your hearing range is. If you watched the response video, it's demonstrated there as well. The low notes ARE loud, but they don't use vocal fry clicks as a frequency, they are actually using bass. Idk how else I can explain this to you. And high notes I'm not debating. His high whistles are loud and I put them on 10% volume or even less when mixing them because those pitches are annoyingly piercing in a mix (and low notes sometimes too, because loud low frequency bass drowns the rest of the instruments). He demonstrated plenty of 8th octave notes in the video and it's clear he can dish them out on a random day. You have counted MANY one-off never-replicated whistles or yelps for other singers. When has Elton John done his D6 live? Or ever again? His 2nd highest is an A5. Somehow from one never in his lifetime replicated D6 "woo" you assume he can control that part of his range well enough to count it when he may not be able to, but on the other hand, you have like 15 2nd octave notes for Steve Perry and you count none of them because they are "speaking" or whatever shit and it's absolutely 100% unreasonable to believe he can't hit a proper B2 if he tried. Likewise, Lord Crobath's 1st and 0th, as well as higher octave notes have been done numerous times, used in many songs melodically, with intent, with practiced technique, sustained, demonstrated on camera, performed live over a span of about 6 years now and it's still not enough.

And from Lord Crobath on this:

"Look, I don't gain or lose anything from people online believing or not believing my range. If they count 1 octave or 10 it makes no difference to me. But I am quite disappointed with the way this was addressed. I get it, they don't want people to have too crazy or unrealistic ranges and I understand singers who practice both ends of their range are rare, thus bonkers ranges are taken with a grain of salt, I get that. They are correct to be skeptical. I would be too. I'm sure you didn't expect people to just accept a 9 octave range without question either. But as a long-time forum user, I expected some open mindedness, curiosity and some kind of civil response, especially considering the amount of proof that's available, including the ACTUAL ARTIST being a forum user. The memes are funny and all, but this forum also lost a metric ton of credibility for me. I doubt the forum's knowledge now and next time someone is like "that F6 is probably inhaled/with overtones" I won't listen and I'll double down, make the F6 black and bold it. That's all that was achieved with this. But feel free to prove me wrong.
About 2-3 years ago I took a bit of time to construct this test and then abandoned it. I intended to post it separately on my own as a tutorial on how to determine non-countable notes, but this is actually the perfect opportunity to finish it, rework it into a test and share it. Don't be fooled by some examples from the thread. I may have re-recorded some things with different techniques to throw you off. Do you actually know what you're talking about? Test yourself. And hey, doesn't the ability to construct this test and produce pitches with so many different techniques count them towards my range?
But yea, if people want me to prove anything, name the conditions and I'll do it. I'm confident I can produce anything on that thread any time at any conditions they ask. And if people prove a single note on the thread is faked or pitch shifted by more than 1/4 note, I'll...idk, make sure to give a prize."

Alright buddy here's the thing buckaroo


The range planet is a place where a lot of discourse can happen right, mix the objectivity with subjectivity. Nearly everything can be taken as such. So sometimes you have to take it with a grain of salt. There can be a lot of disagreement on this site And yet, nearly every single person bar you and Crobath sees this B0 as countable. Why are we more lenient towards counting Foust's B0 towards Crobath's B0 is a matter of quality. Yeah, the B0 isn't going to be loud, but Foust's B0 is melodic, and... to be blunt here isn't some random creak with no tone on it. Every note below like F1 has this problem. And yes, Tim Foust is a bass. It's not the fucking voice racism you paint it out to be, it's like... is it that hard to understand that a BASS has a better quality B0 than a tenor? And don't even get me started on the negative notes. Well, I suppose I still have morning voice right now, and if I just squeeze my vocal cords... ooh! I hit a -G#5! Wow whippity wow wow!

And as for highs, well... some of Crobath's whistles are legitimate. His actual countable range is closer to like, six octaves. Which is impressive, and you'd be a lot more credible... if you stuck to those six octaves. I'm sorry, the "G9" that Crobath hits on the video is laughable. If even the guy hitting the notes CAN'T hear the notes, the problem ain't with me. In that case, I suppose I can cut off my balls and squeal like a bitch at a pitch dogs can't hear... oh look, G#9! Whoop diddy freaking doo! Such a shame I didn't record it, luckily I had other people in the booth who heard me and I hit it multiple times! So it's countable! Whoopy sloop diddy doo dah!

All jokes aside: I am kinda sorry that we did just overlook your thread without giving you the time of day, and just memed on you. It is frustrating, I get that. But uh... if we're being real here, when you made a 30 minute response video to a bunch of nobodies memeing on you on an Internet forum ripped straight from 2004 trying to prove yourself, yeah... kinda killed any chance you have at us taking you seriously. Especially when all we have to go off is your word, and a poorly edited range video. I would take your test, but not sure if the best move after posting a scathing response would be to give you my email. Thank you for helping me discover my -G#5-G#9 range though!

Yours truly,
-an idiot


PS: link the bolds on this thread at LEAST

[Electric Mami]

Similarly, to follow Yojojo's about quality/resonance of a bass vs tenor, same can be said about tenors vs like sopranos for whistle notes. Now of course you have some rare case like the famous Dimash Kudaibergen, but like, a tenor less likely to have a super wealthy whistle register. So your whistles are thinner by nature so once you reach like eighth octave it's getting thin as heck and the response video literally shows, truth bare naked, that the notes in "super whistle" are all over the place pitch and quality wise. The example of Jack Black was taken, well little did you know we debated for quite some time over his 7th octave notes in the Discord and you know, when a thread includes or not some notes it's not TOTALLY no nor TOTALLY yes, it's really contentious sometimes, often even. But we had a relative consensus on how he can't seem to control his whistle register consistently enough due to how he's always hitting the same two semitones (literally) in really varying quality, and nothing else in between. Same goes with Marilyn Manson's fry notes, which as mentioned in the response video are processed and were also considered contentious as heck as well in the forum's history (that is, previous versions of it as well).

What I'm trying to tell you is that not everything is black or white when we count, colour (because yes that is also something we debate) or question notes, it's very nuanced and people have different standards but we try to overall agree on some admittedly vague standards. So when we see someone posting a thread with someone who squeezes the hell out of the extremeties of their range with honestly very questionable quality despite what the singer will try to prove (and fail to), we're of course gonna mock that, because it's personally the first time I witness someone do that on TRP to such an extent. Not to mention, as a side note, the questionable artistic intent to range wank so hard over songs that don't need it, or not this way at least. That also comes from a mixing perspective where the low extremeties completely overshadow and unbalance the rest of the mix due to how volume boosted they are (and don't come say I'm making things up because you said it yourself in your response video, Lord Crobath), it is an utter mess to listen to. And to come back on the quality of notes depending on voice types, that is just the basics of how voices work, and if you think I'm making this up and that I have no idea what I'm talking about, well tell that to my voice teacher who has over 30 years of experience in singing and teaching as well then.

I am also quite disappointed with the kindergarten-like tone my responses were treated in that response video when I feel I've been towards the more respectful people language wise and who actually tried to provide some suggestions for countability of notes, bringing the debate forward. So don't be surprised some of us can't give it the time of day when such close-mindedness and ego trip is responding. Add to that how you pretty much proved my points when showing in that response video how you're mixing these lows (heavy bass and treble boost + serious volume boost, like you literally said and shown) and how these whistles can be of very questionable quality once they are in that super whistle register, and yes, as Yojojo said, the credibility falls apart. And don't even get me started on how you intentionally ignored the part where I was trying to be nice and bring some positivity about your vocal range still being massive and control being the result of years of training. That is dishonnest as heck of an argument to shit on me and skip the nuances and objectivity elements you're craving for (about overtones and quality for instance) just to serve your point while claiming yourself as a scientific of your own voice and a long time forum user (not saying you're lying here, just saying this is very contradictory).

Like on my end if I have to admit  my wrongs, yeah I'm wrong on the legitimacy of some notes, I probably overlooked some of them, I'll give you that. And sorry if my tone was unpleasant, I was legitimately trying to be respectful and bring the topic forward. There's still one whistle, can't bother to check which one right now sorry, which sounds suspicious to my ears with the way it's sliding and how that kind of mastery wasn't proved at all on that response video. It kinda reminds of Vitas' live pitch shifted whistles. The other issues are quality issues, as truly stated by Yojojo. As a matter of fact, not so long ago I had some of Ado's high harmonies marked as questionable (again, questionable, not "big no, could not possibly ever be counted towards singer's range") because I wasn't certain about their legitimacy, until I found a way to check and make sure.

So you see, the forum is in constant evolution so please excuse us for just being humans who make mistakes, change, and try to work and go forward together as a community that's not perfect but trying to be the best version of itself. With all the necessary respect, once again, if you want this thread to be taken more seriously, sorry but it heavily needs revisions, and it is an unanimous opinion from users of the forum. If you're not willing to make them or hear our arguments to respect the forum's/staff's guidelines, who I believe are in the more reliable elements of this forum, then I'm sorry but as some of my more quiet (but not indifferent) staff peers agreed, the thread staying in WIP will speak for itself.

[SubjectAlpha]

YOU WILL COUNT MY SQUEAKS AND STOMACH RUMBLES AND YOU ARE GONNA LIKE IT!!!!111

[kuyashii]

This is probably the most thrilling TRP-induced Rabbit Hole I've come across since Tendon Levey (RIP)

[PerhapsXarb]

Apr 19, 2024 16:32:41 GMT kuyashii said:

This is probably the most thrilling TRP-induced Rabbit Hole I've come across since Tendon Levey (RIP)

Well that's a low sample size, but imho, Funny Defensive Rangewanker Guy <<< Multi-Layered Soul-Crushing Tale of (not very rangewankery) Self-Destructive Mythologization

Like has this so-called LORD Crobath ever actually had vassals??? yeah I didn't think so

[Henny Macc]

I think toyman may have prophesied the coming of Lord Crobath back on TRP2 in the year 2013 A.D.

toyman said:

I'm saying everything about the man counts!  His breathing, his slides, his pitching, his chest, his farts, his burps, his vomiting, his bowel movements everything!  MWHAHAHAHA!