Chris Cornell (57,678 views)

[Henny Macc]

Where is the questionable B5 in the "Let Me Drown" demo supposed to be? I just listened and didn't hear anything above like E5 whatsoever

[glo]

Wow. He sang this too.

youtu.be/KOvH5LSH9Sw

[halloweenjack95]

A very nice cover. The whole album is actually worth listen to. Even tho its only a collection of covers.
youtu.be/aj2lxqSEvtE

[aliensweetheart]

Hi rebaru, ready for an update?

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Get It While You Can:
A4
C5

Jump Into The Fire:
A4
D5

Sad Sad City:
A4
B4
C5

Nothing Compares 2 U:
G♯4
B♭4
B4

Watching The Wheels:
D3
A4
B4
C5

You Don't Know Nothing About Love:
G♯4-B♭4-B4
E♭5 (may be considered worthy of boldmarking, in my opinion)

Showdown:
A4
B4

Stay With Me Baby:
E3
B4
D5

No One Sings Like You Anymore, Vol. 1 (2020): D3-E♭5

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You Never Knew My Mind:
C♯3
G♯4
B♭4

[halloweenjack95]

Jan 14, 2021 13:48:32 GMT aliensweetheart said:

Hi rebaru , ready for an update?

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}Get It While You Can:
A4
C5

Jump Into The Fire:
A4
D5

Sad Sad City:
A4
B4
C5

Nothing Compares 2 U:
G♯4
B♭4
B4

Watching The Wheels:
D3
A4
B4
C5

You Don't Know Nothing About Love:
G♯4-B♭4-B4
E♭5 (may be considered worthy of boldmarking, in my opinion)

Showdown:
A4
B4

Stay With Me Baby:
E3
B4
D5

No One Sings Like You Anymore, Vol. 1 (2020): D3-E♭5

---

You Never Knew My Mind:
C♯3
G♯4
B♭4

Nice!
And yeah THAT note from "You Don't Know Nothing About Love" is impressive. It deserves a Bold(only in my humble opinion of course).

[rebaru]

yeah i'll notewatch that compilation in a bit

a number of those recordings were in the thread already i think

[thenewflesh33]

Just to let you know, the link to the Say Hello 2 Heaven bold note is down

[rebaru]

fixed! ty

[halloweenjack95]

I just found out he actually performed this song at least once.
The camera focus unfor isnt on Chris but the sound is very good.

[Deleted]

He Was A High Baritone

[kaji]

He was a ‘I don’t care what was his voice type and it doesn’t matter’ singer

[fedemayhemile]

It's understandable for people to constantly ask and that nobody is completely sure about his voice type, because he clearly had an unusual freak voice and nobody can understand how he had so much volume/resonance/weight in both high and low notes, he apparently didn't even warm up, same as Dio, i'm always gonna think that he was probably a very low flexible tenor because of how constantly and seemly comfortable he sang high with the same resonance + in his solo acoustic live shows he clearly demonstrated that he could belt real clean and chesty mixed C5/D5's meaning without it being a clear heavy head mix, human nature is unusual and unpredictable so you never know, and i think Baritones probably want him to be one just because they need him to gain the confidence to keep practicing high notes, at the end of the day we'll never know for a FACT, same as with Freddie, because the only way would be to ask him directly what his passaggio note is or what is he doing to pull that sound/weight off, but y' know, now that's not an option, hah.

[kaji]

Jun 19, 2021 7:52:58 GMT fedemayhemile said:

It's understandable for people to constantly ask and that nobody is completely sure about his voice type, because he clearly had an unusual freak voice and nobody can understand how he had so much volume/resonance/weight in both high and low notes, he apparently didn't even warm up, same as Dio, i'm always gonna think that he was probably a very low flexible tenor because of how constantly and seemly comfortable he sang high with the same resonance + in his solo acoustic live shows he clearly demonstrated that he could belt real clean and chesty mixed C5/D5's meaning without it being a clear heavy head mix, human nature is unusual and unpredictable so you never know, and i think Baritones probably want him to be one just because they need him to gain the confidence to keep practicing high notes, at the end of the day we'll never know for a FACT, same as with Freddie, because the only way would be to ask him directly what his passaggio note is or what is he doing to pull that sound/weight off, but y' know, now that's not an option, hah.

Neither had an unusual or ‘freak’ voice. In fact Freddie’s low range wasn’t even that good... It was alright but nothing out of ordinary. I do find it weird that people have these debates about voices like these which aren’t even necessarily ‘freak’ voices yet no one ever argues about actual freak voices like Lorraine Stancil, Mary Martin, Melonie Daniels, Alex Newell etc. And technically speaking the term ‘chesty mix’ would be incorrect due to the mix term referring to the M2 laryngeal vibratory mechanism use, and chest M1. You cannot use two LVMs at once. And neither would know their passaggi as to truly know your passaggi you must at very least know how to properly do voce chiusa. Passaggi aren’t your ‘breaks’.

That being said, Chris is a tenor to me and I don’t hear how someone could mistake him for a real baritone. A manufactured baritone (Johnny Mathis, Tony Bennett etc.) sure, but not a natural baritone.

[Kreuger]

This is why we're moving away from this type of identification.

[fedemayhemile]

Hahah, yes, it's understandable why you don't post voice types anymore, i just thought it was necesarry for someone to directly address it to see what some of you that seriously know about this could deduce about him and finally give it an objective close, i must learn more details about singing in some future, because it can be confusing sometimes, for example with the passaggio/break thing, i used the term "freak" just because it's not something usual nor probable for tenors to have that good quality sounding and extended low register, i figure that's what you mean with "manufactured baritone", btw it'd be really appreciated if some of you here could seriously consider creating new threads about "Brent Smith" of Shinedown (this guy must indeed be a baritone) and Benjamin Kowalewicz of "Billy Talent" vocal ranges, they are worth it, thanks for the answers, cheers.

[fedemayhemile]

Jun 19, 2021 14:35:24 GMT kaji said:

Jun 19, 2021 7:52:58 GMT fedemayhemile said:

It's understandable for people to constantly ask and that nobody is completely sure about his voice type, because he clearly had an unusual freak voice and nobody can understand how he had so much volume/resonance/weight in both high and low notes, he apparently didn't even warm up, same as Dio, i'm always gonna think that he was probably a very low flexible tenor because of how constantly and seemly comfortable he sang high with the same resonance + in his solo acoustic live shows he clearly demonstrated that he could belt real clean and chesty mixed C5/D5's meaning without it being a clear heavy head mix, human nature is unusual and unpredictable so you never know, and i think Baritones probably want him to be one just because they need him to gain the confidence to keep practicing high notes, at the end of the day we'll never know for a FACT, same as with Freddie, because the only way would be to ask him directly what his passaggio note is or what is he doing to pull that sound/weight off, but y' know, now that's not an option, hah.

Neither had an unusual or ‘freak’ voice. In fact Freddie’s low range wasn’t even that good... It was alright but nothing out of ordinary. I do find it weird that people have these debates about voices like these which aren’t even necessarily ‘freak’ voices yet no one ever argues about actual freak voices like Lorraine Stancil, Mary Martin, Melonie Daniels, Alex Newell etc. And technically speaking the term ‘chesty mix’ would be incorrect due to the mix term referring to the M2 laryngeal vibratory mechanism use, and chest M1. You cannot use two LVMs at once. And neither would know their passaggi as to truly know your passaggi you must at very least know how to properly do voce chiusa. Passaggi aren’t your ‘breaks’.

That being said, Chris is a tenor to me and I don’t hear how someone could mistake him for a real baritone. A manufactured baritone (Johnny Mathis, Tony Bennett etc.) sure, but not a natural baritone.

Hey, wait a second, i don't wanna bother but you made me think about it and i know from what i've read and heard that the first/second passaggios are indeed your breaks, i understand it as last note you can sing in pure chest (second) that already needs a slight push but you can still always do it without much problem without being a full belt, though you would never use it to sing in itself because the body would start mixing with head around the first, i've always understood it in that clear way and it works for me, so.. if the passaggios are not the breaks, could you, based on what you know, explain me which exactly are the "breaks"?, just that, thanks. 

[halloweenjack95]

Been listening A lot to Soundgarden and Chris Cornell in general lately.
His vocal peak in terms of High notes would probably be the 91-94 right ?
But I really prefer the tone he later had.
He sounds terrific on "No one Sings like you anymore Vol.1".
He's surely missed. Since the freud between his widow and the remaining Soundgarden members is over we may get the final Soundgarden Album.

[fedemayhemile]

I'd say Candlebox's Kevin Martin must be considered for this: www.alternativenation.net/soundgarden-recording-new-album-2021/, which is clearly another project altogether, have you all watched his "Say Hello 2 Heaven" tribute cover? He simply can do it, always seems to be ignored for no logical reason.

[SailorBlue]

C♯3, B♭4, and C♯5 in "Heavy is the Head" by the Zac Brown Band.

[halloweenjack95]

What's the best Live Performance of "Slaves & Bulldozers"?

Is there a particular Performance that stoods up compared to others?

[halloweenjack95]

Jun 19, 2021 7:52:58 GMT fedemayhemile said:

It's understandable for people to constantly ask and that nobody is completely sure about his voice type, because he clearly had an unusual freak voice and nobody can understand how he had so much volume/resonance/weight in both high and low notes, he apparently didn't even warm up, same as Dio, i'm always gonna think that he was probably a very low flexible tenor because of how constantly and seemly comfortable he sang high with the same resonance + in his solo acoustic live shows he clearly demonstrated that he could belt real clean and chesty mixed C5/D5's meaning without it being a clear heavy head mix, human nature is unusual and unpredictable so you never know, and i think Baritones probably want him to be one just because they need him to gain the confidence to keep practicing high notes, at the end of the day we'll never know for a FACT, same as with Freddie, because the only way would be to ask him directly what his passaggio note is or what is he doing to pull that sound/weight off, but y' know, now that's not an option, hah.

Hate to bring this up after so many months. But he's clearly a baritone imo.

[motorist]

Can someone link those questionable Head Down C5, Never the Machine Forever C3, Rusty Cage D2, and Tighter and Tighter B2? I'm pretty sure I know what the first three are but am confused on how those could possibly be from a source other than Cornell, be that another person, instrument or sound effect.

Also that Circle of Power B2 should be put in questionable notes with a 2 in my opinion, I think all of that song including the spoken portion is Hiro Yamamoto.

[motorist]

Jun 19, 2021 7:52:58 GMT fedemayhemile said:

It's understandable for people to constantly ask and that nobody is completely sure about his voice type, because he clearly had an unusual freak voice and nobody can understand how he had so much volume/resonance/weight in both high and low notes, he apparently didn't even warm up, same as Dio, i'm always gonna think that he was probably a very low flexible tenor because of how constantly and seemly comfortable he sang high with the same resonance + in his solo acoustic live shows he clearly demonstrated that he could belt real clean and chesty mixed C5/D5's meaning without it being a clear heavy head mix, human nature is unusual and unpredictable so you never know, and i think Baritones probably want him to be one just because they need him to gain the confidence to keep practicing high notes, at the end of the day we'll never know for a FACT, same as with Freddie, because the only way would be to ask him directly what his passaggio note is or what is he doing to pull that sound/weight off, but y' know, now that's not an option, hah.

I would say he's clearly a baritone. He had D2s in Soundgarden's first EP and released album, at the age of only 23/24, I don't see what's "manufactured" about that. Morrison hit his only D2 at a similar age and I don't see any strong arguments that he was a tenor.

So what if he hits high notes? Peter Steele could go up to a G5 but his tone and low notes clearly demonstrate he was a bass, same with Cornell being a baritone, plus I went over Jim Morrison who could go up to A5 full voice F6 falsetto and who is clearly also a baritone.

Now you say that baritones just want Cornell to be one to give them hope of hitting higher notes, but I really don't think that's true with the notes baritones and even basses have been capable of reaching. I don't understand how there's any argument to him being a tenor, or how his low voice was "manufactured", this seems like a weird double standard people are applying only to Cornell, when in reality, like many baritones, Cornell just was more comfortable singing out of the typical baritone range.

[Henny Macc]

Jan 27, 2022 16:47:31 GMT motorist said:

So what if he hits high notes? Peter Steele could go up to a G5 but his tone and low notes clearly demonstrate he was a bass, same with Cornell being a baritone, plus I went over Jim Morrison who could go up to A5 full voice F6 falsetto and who is clearly also a baritone.

While I overall agree with you about Cornell being a baritone, this is a pretty misleading comparison. Peter Steele managed to scream a G5 with enough tone for us to consider it acceptable to count, but he would never have been able to handle anywhere near the kinds of fifth octave vocal melodies that Cornell was constantly belting with incredible consistency and control. Jim Morrison also didn't have much in the ways of fifth octave melody singing; if I remember correctly most of his notes above C5 are just isolated screams and shouts and stuff. And I don't know anything about him having a "full voice A5" either - he may have some black notes at that pitch listed in his thread, but that doesn't always mean they're full voice. It just means they're strong enough to not be considered soft falsetto (blue), and not distorted enough to be considered harsh screams (green). I would be SHOCKED to hear a note at that pitch by Morrison that actually sounds like full voice though.

In summary, just because a singer is credited for range up to a certain note in their thread doesn't mean they have complete mastery of that entire range. One of the reasons Cornell is considered to be such a incredible vocalist is because he actually did demonstrate consistent ability and power up to the top of his recorded range with the way he sang, but that is definitely not also the case with either Peter Steele or Jim Morrison, or many other vocalists for that matter. For that reason, their ranges really shouldn't be compared as such.

[motorist]

Jan 28, 2022 5:25:50 GMT Henny Macc said:

While I overall agree with you about Cornell being a baritone, this is a pretty misleading comparison. Peter Steele managed to scream a G5 with enough tone for us to consider it acceptable to count, but he would never have been able to handle anywhere near the kinds of fifth octave vocal melodies that Cornell was constantly belting with incredible consistency and control. Jim Morrison also didn't have much in the ways of fifth octave melody singing; if I remember correctly most of his notes above C5 are just isolated screams and shouts and stuff.

No arguments there, I mean I've only ever heard another Mike Patton sing clear words up to G5 and it still isn't as developed as Cornell's highs. But I wasn't really trying to equate their high notes, it was more confusion about how his developed upper range makes him less of a baritone, when it just demonstrates an element his vocal style which others still may have been able to pursue (no way of knowing for sure, but still that only proves my point about it not changing voice type). Cornell can't rap like Anthony Kiedis, or yelp in the sixth octave like Jim Morrison. Neither of those styles demonstrate a difference in voice type, and I don't see how Cornell's more developed high notes demonstrate that either. I mean Mark Lanegan has more developed low notes than a lot of basses, but clearly he's not a bass.