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Post by dankapple on May 22, 2024 10:12:29 GMT
i wouldn't say it's toneless or an unintentional dip, sounds like to me she does another slide with the higher harmony (A4 -> B4) to match with the instrumental which also hits a B
but yeah i can see other point of views
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Post by Osmosis on May 22, 2024 15:54:09 GMT
I'm actually going to retract my statement and join you two in support of counting the note. I was being harsh on itand did not give it proper consideration.
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Post by Goober on May 22, 2024 16:05:46 GMT
What would the planet think? Taylor swift is ruining our planet one private jet trip at a time. B2? more like Carbon emissions. The earth doesn't care that you wrote folklore, It wasn't even that good anyways. Thanks to taylor swift, it's gonna be a cruel summer. At least lil dicky actually cared about our planet.
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Post by amadeusd on May 22, 2024 19:57:52 GMT
I'm still pretty adamant it was not intentional. It seems, even if intentional per se, it was a fade-off because she couldn't maintain anything below the C (which wouldn't have fit the key very well at all, even as a novel addition). So, in that way, the 'intention' is extremely unlikely to have been to land on a B.
No real argument though - the B2 is there. No argument with that.
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Post by haeksk（ハクサク） on Jun 1, 2024 2:08:35 GMT
Personally, I think the melody intentionally resolves to the B. I actually didn't even notice before hearing the filter that she sang the word "face" in a descent from C#3 to B2 like that, but I sang it myself and thought that if you stay on the C#, the line wouldn't make as much sense.
Also, yes, there's a B4 in the backing vocals and I think it would clash if she was still on the C#.
Unrelated opinion but I don't think the "tolerate it" underlined B2 should be a bold. If anything one of the lead B2s from Carolina would be a better choice
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Post by olivia on Oct 21, 2024 16:17:04 GMT
She did a F6/F#6 and C6 and B5 and A5/Bb5 during look what you made me do in the reputation tour.
https://www.tiktok.com/@fernandodimas522/video/7401494448074542342
She also did a D6 during So It Goes... in the reputation tour. She also did a A5 and B5 in ivy in the background. She also did a G#5 in i did something bad live. I don't know if it counts because it's a growl though.
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Post by palum on Nov 10, 2024 20:41:44 GMT
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Post by palum on Nov 10, 2024 21:52:17 GMT
Might want to convert those embeds to plain links since people can't see them if the page is crashing on them. Thank you. I'll see what I can do |
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Post by galaxyseal on Nov 11, 2024 4:42:33 GMT
Hello. Late to the thread but I'm begging for galaxyseal to see this message I have been studying her range for quite some time now and below are a list of notes that I am sure exist that are not on the thread. Notes from her earlier albums: Debut - Red are not as noticed in this thread, so I will make sure to bring these hidden notes to the light, along with unreleased tracks. I am at least 90% sure that they exist. First of all, welcome to the forum and thanks for your interest in my thread (and Taylor)! Second of all, as some people have already said, please refrain from embedding so many videos at once in the future. Just link them next time! My poor laptop and phone can't handle it :( ANYWAYS, I'll go through each of your suggestions one by one: {long ass list of stuff and reasonings so I don't clog the thread too much}Should've Said No - I originally was skeptical of this note which is why I omitted it at first (I think I might've had it in an older version at some point) but looking back on it, I guess it sounds like her? Not to mention that I had a look through the CD booklet and also found that Taylor was the only one credited for background/harmony vocals on this song. So I guess I'll count the E5s from it.
Picture to Burn - I'm still suspicious of this one enough to omit it for now. Especially since it just lists Taylor as "vocals" instead of specifying both lead and harmony like for the former song, maybe we'll get more clarification once Taylor's Version comes out.
You Belong With Me - this note is sung by Caitlin Evanson, one of her backing singers at the time. She sings the backing vocals in both the original and the re-recording.
Tell Me Why - also sang by Caitlin Evanson.
Tell Me Why (Fearless Tour) - I have no idea what you're referring to here but either way I hear nothing around a G5 here that sounds like Taylor.
Sparks Fly - there is an F in the harmony here but it's an F4, so I'm guessing you're just hearing overtones or something
The Story of Us - these are sang by Liz Huett, another one of her background singers.
Enchanted - I have Eb5s counted from this song already but the ones in the original song all sound like falsetto to me, whereas a few of them in the re-recording sound a bit more belted imo. As for the G5s, I'm pretty certain the backing vocals in the chorus here aren't her.
Better Than Revenge - these don't sound like Taylor imo.
Last Kiss - sounds like an F3 to me and either way even if it does dip a bit lower I probably wouldn't count it.
Red - I'll change it to falsetto.
Treacherous - I don't hear any part of the verse here go lower than maybe F#3.
Girl at Home - there's an F4 in the backing vocals here but nothing higher.
Nothing New - I don't really hear anything around that here besides the lead vocal D3s.
Message in a Bottle - although I can buy the A5 being legit, Elvira's the only credited backing vocalist on this song so I'm inclined to believe she's the one singing it.
Shake It Off - nothing worth counting here imo besides the E3 in the backing vocals.
Say Don't Go - I've heard ppl mention this note before but I don't hear anything worth counting besides the C#3s.
End Game - changed the D3 to lead vocal.
I Did Something Bad - I don't hear anything above maybe F#5 from either of those notes but I guess I'll count them since they're not range-expanding and she hits that exact pitch on multiple occasions.
Look What You Made Do - had to slow it down in order to even hear a G5. Either way, not countable imo. As for the live Bb5, I'm not sure about counting it, might seek out some other opinions on it since I feel like she might've done it on several occasions. Also, I wouldn't count the C5 in the "OH!" before the chorus... HOWEVER, there is a C5 when she says "BAD dream" at the end of the bridge before the spoken bit. And I swear to fucking God I had that C5 in the thread before and I legitimately do not know why it's not already there. Either way, added. Thanks.
Gorgeous - I personally think that the lowest countable note this reaches is maybe B2 at most before it dissolves into pure vocal fry. Same goes for the rest of the notes from the backing vocal stems in this song.
I Think He Knows - I hear nothing resembling a Bb5 from Taylor around here.
the last great american dynasty - I don't hear anything besides the backing vocal D5s here.
this is me trying - I don't think she reaches anything below D3 in the studio version.
illicit affairs - I don't hear anything besides the Eb5s I already have listed from there (and MAYBE an F5 or something at most but idk).
mad woman - I also hear nothing above Eb5 here.
peace - I don't hear anything around a C3 here that sounds like Taylor.
hoax - I've seen this note debated to hell and back but I stand firm on the opinion that there isn't anything lower than Eb3 in this song.
willow - nothing here worth adding below E3 imo (like maybe D3 at the absolute most).
champagne problems - anything lower than E3 at the start of that phrase sounds like anacrusis to me.
coney island - I don't hear anything above Eb5 here that distinguishably sounds like Taylor's voice.
marjorie - I don't hear anything above D5 at this part.
Anti-Hero - I guess I'll add the Eb3 here (I mostly didn't see a point since she hits C#3s already in the song lol).
You're On Your Own Kid - sounds way too masculine to be her so I'm assuming it's either Jack Antonoff or Taylor's voice pitched down.
Question...? - anything in the second octave there is 100% pitch-shifted lol. As for the G5, I'm not totally sure.
Bejeweled - I hear nothing (or at least, anything countable) above E5 here.
Mastermind - I don't hear anything close to resembling an F#5 here.
The Great War - highest note here is an Eb5. There is a G4 in the background here that's probably confusing you though.
Paris - nothing below D3 here
Would've, Could've, Should've - I've heard these notes debated before but I hear nothing around that range that sounds like a voice.
Hits Different - I don't hear a C3 here
My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys - I think this might just be pitched down? Not sure
Florida!!! - nothing countable below D3 here
Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? - I literally have no idea what you're referring to here but there's definitely nothing as low as B2 in this song. I also don't hear any G5 that sounds like a voice either.
The Alchemy - I don't hear a B2 here or anywhere else in the song, lowest is C3
The Black Dog - the C3 I listed from this song is in the background vocals at 1:41 in the original song. Besides that, I don't hear anything close to a countable A2 here. I also don't hear any E5s here, there are some E4s in some of the harmonies though that might be confusing you
So High School - nothing countable below D3 here
How to Be a Cat - cool find, added
I Don't Wanna Live Forever - ZAYN is the only one singing any of the F5s here
My Cure - not sure if I hear anything below E3 here, hard to tell at points
Battle (Let's Go) - I don't hear a G5 tbh ok that will be all :D thank u for some of ur help tho |
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Post by palum on Nov 11, 2024 23:15:31 GMT
(I am replying to this a bit late cause it's so hard to do it on my phone) Okay. First, thank you so much for reviewing my info and I'm sorry about the embedding. I thought it looked cool and kind of chose it (oops). Second, thank you so much for informing me on some of these new vocals. For example, I thought for the first couple albums, you were overlooking some notes, but thank you for bringing attention to the background singers, especially for Fearless. Anyway, this is just a reply back with some more details and extra vocals I remembered/found. Again, thank you so much. I feel amazing that I helped change the thread and thank you for noticing me because I have been using this thread for a while now. I have seen some of the ranges and finally found most of the notes listed. A couple questions about the notes Where is the C#3 in I Look In People's Windows? Where is the Eb3 in The Great War? Anyway, this is the rest of the response... {New Notes} Hopefully these links work First, there is a C#3 when she performs This Love in Dublin www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8WzEx3xmGQ&t=26sC3 in mirrorball (Eras Tour) www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBALbWWujY&t=35sillicit affairs (A5) This was brought up last time, but I am 100% sure there are A5s in illicit affairs (that are hopefully hers). They are vocalizations that start after she sings: You taught me a secret language I can't speak with anyone else, and start at exactly 2:36 of the original recording. Dolby Atmos allows you to hear it even better. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLV2SJKWk4M&t=152sYou mentioned the F#5 belt in You Belong With Me was not Taylor, but what about the Eb5 falsettos and belts (linked below) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJUxGMj0_M&t=156swww.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJUxGMj0_M&t=120sOH how could you not see You belong with ME I am fairly confident that they are hers but are not 100% sure For The Black Dog, I linked it wrong. I know where the C3 is (and it kills ME) but I linked it wrong. I heard a breathy A2 but it may be not strong enough to fully be part of her range. Also, what do you think about the C6s. They start exactly at 3:08 of the original recording www.youtube.com/watch?v=56TZ3B8Qxsk&t=179sGoing back to Fearless, the E5 belt in Tell Me Why, do you think that's her. Ruin someone's DAY www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvpZblXkPIg&t=68sright where you left me (F5 - Eras Tour) www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZXmE2GNMAY&t=108sAgain with Fearless, E5s in Fifteen (Are they her) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-K2tXWK4w&t=167sUnfortunately, I don't think we have an F5 Belt in TTPD as The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived F5 is falsetto www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Wze-phdr8&t=428sNothing New (B2). I checked Dolby Atmos, I heard it every time but very faint. No definite proof, but I think it's there. You can listen again, but that's just my interpretation Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me? (B2) Same with Nothing New. I believe it's there. This clip shows it a bit more obvious. Again, it's Should've just SAID www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywXouo5nsr0&t=297sAlmost forgot, G5 in Battle (Let's Go) I also think is there. It's when she says and I www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m5Iecj85dY&t=72s
Possible E5 Belts? www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m5Iecj85dY&t=180swww.youtube.com/watch?v=2m5Iecj85dY&t=196s (Background Vocals) She also has F#3s, G3s, A3s, B4s in this song as well I'll update you if I find any more vocals. Thank you for your time. Oh right, are the G5 belts in You're Losing Me "SAY something" cause I heard it as falsetto, but they're in the background. Also I typed way too much |
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Post by palum on Nov 12, 2024 1:03:35 GMT
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Post by galaxyseal on Nov 12, 2024 5:00:48 GMT
(I am replying to this a bit late cause it's so hard to do it on my phone) Okay. First, thank you so much for reviewing my info and I'm sorry about the embedding. I thought it looked cool and kind of chose it (oops). Second, thank you so much for informing me on some of these new vocals. For example, I thought for the first couple albums, you were overlooking some notes, but thank you for bringing attention to the background singers, especially for Fearless. Anyway, this is just a reply back with some more details and extra vocals I remembered/found. Again, thank you so much. I feel amazing that I helped change the thread and thank you for noticing me because I have been using this thread for a while now. I have seen some of the ranges and finally found most of the notes listed. Hi again! I appreciate your comments, thank you! {so for what you're asking about this time}The C#3 in "I Look in People's Windows" is the low harmony at 1:07 just before the second verse begins
The Eb3 in "The Great War" is the low harmony at 1:42 in the second chorus when she sings "the bombs were closer". Although listening closer it might actually be a D3 so I'm gonna edit it to that
Thanks for the live C#3s from This Love! I always thought the original sounded like it should've had some. Added
Thanks for the live mirrorball C3! I think I skipped over this performance originally bc I just assumed she'd lower the key a semitone like she usually does and do C#3s instead (though I guess I should've accounted for it being a mashup lol). Added
Okay I *think* I hear what you're saying is the A5 in "illicit affairs" but listening closely I think it might just be an A4 with a fuck ton of overtones cause of how many harmonies are going on there at once
All of the background vocals on "You Belong With Me" are sung by Caitlin Evanson. She's the only one credited for background vocals here, meanwhile Taylor only has credits for lead vocals (Taylor barely sings any of the background vocals on the Fearless album except for some of the later tracks)
I don't hear the note in "The Black Dog" go any lower than C3. If it does, it's definitely nothing worth counting *especially* in comparison to her other A2s. Also there's definitely nothing as high as C6 in this song either, you're either hearing some crazy overtones or mistaking an instrument for her voice
As for the background vocals in "Tell Me Why" and "Fifteen". It should be noted that *all* background vocals on the standard version (with the exception of one or two songs) are sung by Caitlin Evanson. Caitlin is, and I quote this directly from the album booklet, credited for backing vocals on tracks 1-4, 6, 8, and 13). Taylor is not credited for background vocals on these songs, so therefore, these notes are not sung by her.
Although I already have a harmony F5 from "right where you left me" counted, I'll add a note for the live version too since that one is lead
Tbh I couldn't tell if the F5 in "The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived" was falsetto or not on my first listen or not so I left it colour coded as black just in case. But after listening to the Dolby stems, I'll label it as falsetto lol
Still don't hear anything around B2 in "Nothing New" or "Who's Afraid of Little Old Me?"
I knew where you were referring to when you linked the note from "Battle" but I still don't hear a G5 there. Maybe some overtones caused by the male vocal there idk. Also I already have the E5s (and other notes) counted, look under the respective sections for "Let's Go (Battle)" since that's how I wrote it LOL since that's what the video I notewatched it from said. But ig I could change it to the other way
And yeah, that's where the G5s in "You're Losing Me" are. Honestly I could understand people hearing them as either belts or falsetto so for now I'm keeping them colour coded as black
I'll give the LWYMMD slide notes some more thought before I consider counting any of them
Still think the MBOBHFT and peace notes you're talking about aren't there
I'm not counting that E5 from the making of "I Did Something Bad" because she already has falsetto F5s in the studio version and belted F5s in the live version. This, in my opinion, would be redundant to add
For the making of "King of My Heart", the lowest I'd be willing to count there is the C#3s since anything below that is basically just vocal fry. Nice find tho! Added
Really nice find for the C3 from the making of Lover! Don't think I've ever seen that vid lol. Added
I omitted notes "Spinning Around" since she was around 13 when she recorded it which is a bit too young for me to start counting notes for her imo
The F3s in "Forever & Always" that you're thinking of are sung by the male vocalist
The E5s on "Superman" are sung by her background vocalist Liz Huett (who is credited on the song). Although there are some falsetto D5s here that I could buy being Taylor |
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Post by palum on Nov 12, 2024 11:45:28 GMT
Thank you so much. I’ll let you know if I find any more information
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Post by palum on Nov 12, 2024 22:38:40 GMT
Wait! I just realized those C3s in Lover are B2s or at least the downward arpeggios
Listen to it in slo-mo
Also, do you have an isolated clip of the A5 in tolerate it? I know where it is but I can't hear it well
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Post by palum on Nov 16, 2024 13:29:12 GMT
Also, is the G5 in Dear Reader when she says falling apart or is it in a different place
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Post by singupabe on Nov 17, 2024 6:28:59 GMT
doesn't she have some B2s and A2s in Getaway Car?
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Post by palum on Nov 18, 2024 2:50:15 GMT
Are the E3s in Shake It Off when she says SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE or are they harmonized in a different portion of the song
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