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Post by 1899 on Jan 31, 2020 3:17:53 GMT
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Post by cabarios on Jan 31, 2020 6:50:26 GMT
Umm... what does that even mean lol. Larynx lowers naturally when you approach those pitches. Forcing it to be neutral down there would actually be in theory 'unnatural' (and just saying, it would attract more tension than a lower position). I second that |
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Post by 1899 on Jan 31, 2020 7:41:12 GMT
Umm... what does that even mean lol. Larynx lowers naturally when you approach those pitches. Forcing it to be neutral down there would actually be in theory 'unnatural' (and just saying, it would attract more tension than a lower position). Hmm I read somewhere that low larynx is often used to reach low notes outside their supported range and ideally we should use neutral larynx when singing. There's a similar comment in this vid www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UVMt0TOPzM
"Most of the examples of improper lowering of the larynx you will hear will be in the lower register, as it's often the go-to for singers in attempt to produce tone and volume where they can no longer support, or just not support in general."
But maybe I misunderstood. Idk if here's the right place to discuss about technique, but my point is are his F#2s supported or not?
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Post by cabarios on Jan 31, 2020 9:11:55 GMT
Umm... what does that even mean lol. Larynx lowers naturally when you approach those pitches. Forcing it to be neutral down there would actually be in theory 'unnatural' (and just saying, it would attract more tension than a lower position). Hmm I read somewhere that low larynx is often used to reach low notes outside their supported range and ideally we should use neutral larynx when singing. There's a similar comment in this vid www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UVMt0TOPzM
"Most of the examples of improper lowering of the larynx you will hear will be in the lower register, as it's often the go-to for singers in attempt to produce tone and volume where they can no longer support, or just not support in general."
But maybe I misunderstood. Idk if here's the right place to discuss about technique, but my point is are his F#2s supported or not?
Please do yourself a favor: If you really want to inform yourself about vocal technique via YT (which is generally not something I would recommend), at least watch voice teacher content to do so and not a weird video of a channel called "Christina Aguilera Fan". Thank you :) |
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Post by kaji on Jan 31, 2020 17:01:25 GMT
Hmm I read somewhere that low larynx is often used to reach low notes outside their supported range and ideally we should use neutral larynx when singing. There's a similar comment in this vid www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UVMt0TOPzM
"Most of the examples of improper lowering of the larynx you will hear will be in the lower register, as it's often the go-to for singers in attempt to produce tone and volume where they can no longer support, or just not support in general."
But maybe I misunderstood. Idk if here's the right place to discuss about technique, but my point is are his F#2s supported or not?
Please do yourself a favor: If you really want to inform yourself about vocal technique via YT (which is generally not something I would recommend), at least watch voice teacher content to do so and not a weird video of a channel called "Christina Aguilera Fan". Thank you  I'd say Sam Johnson, Marc Reynolds, John Henny, Steve Giles, Greg Bystritski are some of the teachers on Youtube who actually know their stuff. Also I'd like to say that there is a big distinction between the terms vocal coach and a vocal teacher. Very different things. |
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Post by cabarios on Feb 1, 2020 10:51:32 GMT
Please do yourself a favor: If you really want to inform yourself about vocal technique via YT (which is generally not something I would recommend), at least watch voice teacher content to do so and not a weird video of a channel called "Christina Aguilera Fan". Thank you I'd say Sam Johnson, Marc Reynolds, John Henny, Steve Giles, Greg Bystritski are some of the teachers on Youtube who actually know their stuff. Also I'd like to say that there is a big distinction between the terms vocal coach and a vocal teacher. Very different things. I agree. (But don't know Greg Bystritski yet, I'll check him out) What's your opinion on Zach Ansley? In case you don't know him yet: He's a full time voice teacher at a US music studio and has a university degree in classical vocal (with emphasis on Bel Canto vocal pedagogy), but is also a Progressive Metal vocalist. For technical analyses of typical pop techniques, there are more suitable ones, but he's still very interesting imo |
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Post by kaji on Feb 1, 2020 16:54:23 GMT
I'd say Sam Johnson, Marc Reynolds, John Henny, Steve Giles, Greg Bystritski are some of the teachers on Youtube who actually know their stuff. Also I'd like to say that there is a big distinction between the terms vocal coach and a vocal teacher. Very different things. I agree. (But don't know Greg Bystritski yet, I'll check him out) What's your opinion on Zach Ansley? In case you don't know him yet: He's a full time voice teacher at a US music studio and has a university degree in classical vocal (with emphasis on Bel Canto vocal pedagogy), but is also a Progressive Metal vocalist. For technical analyses of typical pop techniques, there are more suitable ones, but he's still very interesting imo I’m friends with Zach and I’m on his Discord. I don’t really have much of an opinion on his teaching but I do think he’s one of the good ones. I do also disagree with him on quite a lot though. And Greg’s not really a teacher per se. He’s sorta like Fahim you mentioned before. Greg can do A LOOOOT with his voice. Pretty incredible stuff. |
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Post by 1899 on Feb 6, 2020 3:21:08 GMT
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Post by 1899 on Feb 22, 2020 3:14:54 GMT
I’m not really hearing the D2. The 'love' is originally D3, he sang an octave lower.
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Post by kotipelto on Feb 23, 2020 0:53:11 GMT
I agree. (But don't know Greg Bystritski yet, I'll check him out) What's your opinion on Zach Ansley? In case you don't know him yet: He's a full time voice teacher at a US music studio and has a university degree in classical vocal (with emphasis on Bel Canto vocal pedagogy), but is also a Progressive Metal vocalist. For technical analyses of typical pop techniques, there are more suitable ones, but he's still very interesting imo I’m friends with Zach and I’m on his Discord. I don’t really have much of an opinion on his teaching but I do think he’s one of the good ones. I do also disagree with him on quite a lot though. And Greg’s not really a teacher per se. He’s sorta like Fahim you mentioned before. Greg can do A LOOOOT with his voice. Pretty incredible stuff. Zach is very undersubbed, I wish he'd upload more. He kinda did Amy Lee dirty by reacting to a bad performance of hers though :p. Not sure if that was a fan-requested performance or not though. |
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Post by jaredletoisbackagain on Mar 9, 2020 23:10:23 GMT
youtu.be/bZlvnu93N4Y 4:38 hotdamn Oh and 5:48. I'm on my phone atm so can't pitch it but sounds to be around D6. He also sings I Believe In A Thing Called Love afterwards and goes higher than the original because why not
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Post by glycerine on Mar 13, 2020 8:47:20 GMT
Umm... what does that even mean lol. Larynx lowers naturally when you approach those pitches. Forcing it to be neutral down there would actually be in theory 'unnatural' (and just saying, it would attract more tension than a lower position). I agree |
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Post by glycerine on Mar 13, 2020 8:51:34 GMT
Zach is very undersubbed, I wish he'd upload more. He kinda did Amy Lee dirty by reacting to a bad performance of hers though :p. Not sure if that was a fan-requested performance or not though. Zach seems to be a great voice teacher (more specialised in classical music though) and would really deserve more subs. He's more on Twitch than YT now, for the following reasons: a) death threats from radical Dio, Dickinson and Freddie fans b) being threatened to be sued by Ken Tamplin :/ |
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Post by 1899 on Mar 15, 2020 6:34:34 GMT
Lifeline
Eb2-C2-Bb1 new lowest note?
Zombie
E2
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0:41 C#6 0:56 F#5 in mix voice
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Post by jaredletoisbackagain on Mar 15, 2020 13:54:39 GMT
Wouldn't really count those fry notes in Lifeline.
Or at least colour them as fry.
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Post by 1899 on Mar 16, 2020 4:31:33 GMT
Wouldn't really count those fry notes in Lifeline. Or at least colour them as fry. Hmm it sounds quite melodic to me instead of fry-ish. It's not as prominent as real bass voice, but still. |
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Post by kaji on Mar 16, 2020 21:26:07 GMT
Wouldn't really count those fry notes in Lifeline. Or at least colour them as fry. They are melodic and intentional. And clearly that pitch as well. I'd count them. If the D2 is counted, I don't see why this wouldn't be. |
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Post by jaredletoisbackagain on Mar 17, 2020 3:25:25 GMT
Hmm it sounds quite melodic to me instead of fry-ish. It's not as prominent as real bass voice, but still. melodic and fry aren't mutually exclusive. You can sing using fry. It's pretty clear fry voice to me, and counting it without somehow noting that it's fry seems a bit weird to me. But maybe that's how we do it around here these days. |
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Post by 1899 on Mar 21, 2020 4:06:24 GMT
^ By melodic, I mean it's easy to identify the note. Eb2-C2-Bb1-C2. When someone do vocal fry, I find it hard to tell what note it is as it has speech-like quality. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_79FgDrCrs&t=3m12sG#5
Is it mix or mask placed head voice? |
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Post by glycerine on Mar 21, 2020 6:58:52 GMT
I really don't think that this is mask placed head voice. I'd say it's either mix or reinforced falsetto. But tbh: There's no other singer I'm familiar with with which I have as much difficulties telling the used register as with Brendon. In so many cases I thought it was mix, vocal coaches said it's probably reinforced falsetto. That guy's reinforced falsetto is SO good that it's really hard to tell. Anyways... a G#5 is always high and impressive no matter what register |
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Post by kotipelto on Mar 21, 2020 7:10:03 GMT
Zach is very undersubbed, I wish he'd upload more. He kinda did Amy Lee dirty by reacting to a bad performance of hers though  . Not sure if that was a fan-requested performance or not though. Zach seems to be a great voice teacher (more specialised in classical music though) and would really deserve more subs. He's more on Twitch than YT now, for the following reasons: a) death threats from radical Dio, Dickinson and Freddie fans b) being threatened to be sued by Ken Tamplin :/ He praised Dio to high heavens though. IDK about Bruce or Freddie. Also, how could Ken Tamplin sue him just for criticism? IDGI. |
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Post by glycerine on Mar 21, 2020 7:47:30 GMT
Zach seems to be a great voice teacher (more specialised in classical music though) and would really deserve more subs. He's more on Twitch than YT now, for the following reasons: a) death threats from radical Dio, Dickinson and Freddie fans b) being threatened to be sued by Ken Tamplin :/ He praised Dio to high heavens though. IDK about Bruce or Freddie. Also, how could Ken Tamplin sue him just for criticism? IDGI. He totally praised all of those singers. Zach is just.. more critical than most vocal coaches, and he pointed out flaws of almost all singers he has reacted to. And for radical fans that's enough to hate him, even if 95% of the critique was immensely positive |
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Post by glycerine on Mar 21, 2020 9:53:53 GMT
Concerning Ken vs Zach:
Well... Zach basically said that parts of what Ken teaches were not sustainable and even "dangerous for the voice".
Of course, it's a strong statement, and of course, it can be financially harmful to say sth like that publicly about a person who earns their money as a vocal coach... BUT
a) in this case it's max. to a tiny degree, Zach has a rather small YT channel
b) Ken is huge and earns a lot via a huge YT channel, his online coaching and real life coaching (and he's also involved in TV shows and stuff like that). I'm sure he's a wealthy guy, whereas Zach is most probably not wealthy at all. He's just a "normal" voice teacher at a music institute and has a rather small YT channel
c) Threatening to sue someone is an ABSOLUTE no go. You just don't do that. Even if Zach's impact on Ken's reputation (that's in fact really tiny) was bigger. If you are part of the YT community, there will most probably be some kind of negative critique and you need to deal with it in a reasonable way and not run around threatening people via lawyer's letters. (And btwm Zach insulted TRP too 😄 Did they threaten to sue him? 😄 No, of course not)
I can't tell who's right in the technical discussion per se. Zach has the higher education (a university or music college degree in vocal pedagogy) of the two. On the other hand, Ken is more experienced and is specialised in contemporary music and Zach in classical music (and Zach is criticising parts of Ken's teaching methods for contemporary singing). However, I would absolutely agree that Zach is more focuses on vocal health than Ken is (vocal health is kind of his main focus in singing).
Anyway... I'm totally on Zach's "side" here. He seems to be a really good voice teacher (and I generally prefer Zach over Ken) and threatening to sue someone (who is much less wealthy than you) bc if some negative critique on YT is an absolute no go.
Okay, I'll shut up now 😄 this is a Brendon Urie thread and not one about YT vocal coaches 😄 so I'm sorry 😊
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