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Post by kaji on Nov 29, 2021 8:44:07 GMT
Where have I called his top notes dark lol? And Dimash's top notes are way brighter than that of Pavarotti... (saying this as someone who has notewatched both men) And yes, in certain songs (Ogni Pietra) he can keep his true darkness up to a certain point, and that certain point is around A4, and I have stated this before. He is a tenor, I am not expecting him to be able to sing dark higher than that. just out of Curiosity do you considered c5 in yeli a dark note? it seems that i can't tell lol It just being a yell does not mean it is gonna be a dark note though. Darkness vs brightness is in relation to the colour and tone of the note. Dimash’s style is highly dependent on a high laryngeal position, of course it’ll be bright.
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Post by mehrhs9 on Nov 29, 2021 8:53:51 GMT
just out of Curiosity do you considered c5 in yeli a dark note? it seems that i can't tell lol It just being a yell does not mean it is gonna be a dark note though. Darkness vs brightness is in relation to the colour and tone of the note. Dimash’s style is highly dependent on a high laryngeal position, of course it’ll be bright. i meant the performance yeli the c5 that it is in the bold section did you say that was a yell? sorry to ask again
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Post by damnitall on Nov 29, 2021 9:34:40 GMT
It just being a yell does not mean it is gonna be a dark note though. Darkness vs brightness is in relation to the colour and tone of the note. Dimash’s style is highly dependent on a high laryngeal position, of course it’ll be bright. i meant the performance yeli the c5 that it is in the bold section did you say that was a yell? sorry to ask again I'm not kaji, but that's CLEARLY a dark note just out of Curiosity do you considered c5 in yeli a dark note? it seems that i can't tell lol It just being a yell does not mean it is gonna be a dark note though. Darkness vs brightness is in relation to the colour and tone of the note. Dimash’s style is highly dependent on a high laryngeal position, of course it’ll be bright. As you yourself said, until the D5 he keeps his larynx consistently neutral. Not always higher. Dimash is at least in his low fourth octave. He isn't even belting. And his d5s are dark af. You have called them dark before actually. They aren't as dark as his c4s but they are dark. Not even Pavarotti could darken as much as him up there (if pav didn't want to, then that's another talk) There is not a single note Dimash has ever hit that would be “dark af”. His voice is quite literally the opposite of dark roughly 99% of the time. As Kaji said, Dimash is a tenor and it would be rather unusual for him to be darkening at the pitches you’re claiming. Trust me, believe it when Kaji says it. He’s kind of a vocal expert when it comes to mechanisms of the voice. Trusting a teenager (I think) who has said so hyang has bad technique? Pass. Dimash is at least in his low fourth octave. He isn't even belting. And his d5s are dark af. You have called them dark before actually. They aren't as dark as his c4s but they are dark. Not even Pavarotti could darken as much as him up there (if pav didn't want to, then that's another talk) Where have I called his top notes dark lol? And Dimash's top notes are way brighter than that of Pavarotti... (saying this as someone who has notewatched both men) And yes, in certain songs (Ogni Pietra) he can keep his true darkness up to a certain point, and that certain point is around A4, and I have stated this before. He is a tenor, I am not expecting him to be able to sing dark higher than that. So you're not considering any 'mixed voice darkness', huh? I mean, ~a4 is his tessitura we were discussing...
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Post by kaji on Nov 29, 2021 16:46:31 GMT
i meant the performance yeli the c5 that it is in the bold section did you say that was a yell? sorry to ask again I'm not kaji, but that's CLEARLY a dark note It just being a yell does not mean it is gonna be a dark note though. Darkness vs brightness is in relation to the colour and tone of the note. Dimash’s style is highly dependent on a high laryngeal position, of course it’ll be bright. As you yourself said, until the D5 he keeps his larynx consistently neutral. Not always higher. There is not a single note Dimash has ever hit that would be “dark af”. His voice is quite literally the opposite of dark roughly 99% of the time. As Kaji said, Dimash is a tenor and it would be rather unusual for him to be darkening at the pitches you’re claiming. Trust me, believe it when Kaji says it. He’s kind of a vocal expert when it comes to mechanisms of the voice. Trusting a teenager (I think) who has said so hyang has bad technique? Pass. Where have I called his top notes dark lol? And Dimash's top notes are way brighter than that of Pavarotti... (saying this as someone who has notewatched both men) And yes, in certain songs (Ogni Pietra) he can keep his true darkness up to a certain point, and that certain point is around A4, and I have stated this before. He is a tenor, I am not expecting him to be able to sing dark higher than that. So you're not considering any 'mixed voice darkness', huh? I mean, ~a4 is his tessitura we were discussing... I’m not a teenager. And I never said Sohyang has a bad technique. I said her chest voice is underdeveloped and she puts too much value in her high range over musicality. The latter I’d say the same for Dimash. His chest voice is not underdeveloped, however he barely ever uses a sound full of core, depth and warmness. When you sing as high as him, you typically have to sacrifice some of the meat of your voice. I recommend focusing a little bit less on pseudoscience in the YouTube comments about vocals and a little bit more on actual vocal pedagogy if you plan to be having discussions on this topic. And this is a public forum. Learn your manners and stop telling people to ‘get fucked’. Treat others as you want to be treated. We’re here to discuss singers respectfully and not squabble like little kids. The goal is to have a discussion on the singers’ range in order to get the most objective total range without yelling at each other. Discussion about vocals overall have a place here too but make sure to be respectful and creating a healthy environment around you. Thank you.
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Post by malifalitic0 on Nov 29, 2021 19:52:40 GMT
youtu.be/-gOC74V6F20?t=3m54ssome dark Eb5's.He did the best one imo in Kiev Concert in "Let It Be".Also he hits the Eb5 in the dark way in Qairan Elim too.Your Love has a pretty solid dark E5 but he only hits it once.There are other darkened Eb5's and E5's but I can't recall atm.I'll edit this if I remember ofc if anyone's interested. Great singing. Is he singing in Turkish? Never heard that. The sustained eb5 is definately bright, but the rest is kinda dark indeed the subtitles are Turkish.I am also Turkish but he is probably singing in Kazakh.Also I don't know what was I think about that Eb5 , it's clearly not dark.I also don't think what you and I mean by "dark" are the same with others. @kaji aren't we basing the colour of the tone?I have used this term for dimash's notes in between A#4-E5 and seen many do.Still might be different from what you mean tho.
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Post by valsalva on Nov 30, 2021 4:53:23 GMT
I actually believe the new “Stranger” is all live, but with pitch correction for the television audience.
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Post by malifalitic0 on Nov 30, 2021 7:36:19 GMT
I actually believe the new “Stranger” is all live, but with pitch correction for the television audience. If I know Dimash,low and melisma parts are definitely lipped.there is an offkey note in soprano part but I don't know why.
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Post by namainohana on Nov 30, 2021 11:14:39 GMT
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Post by mehrhs9 on Dec 11, 2021 13:40:27 GMT
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Post by thatteenbaritone on Dec 11, 2021 15:41:38 GMT
It is very interesting. I like how all out he is going with the movements but because of that and how stable the vocals are it seems lipsynced again. Sadly. I like him playing the dombra at the beginning but that's not really relevant to vocal range lol The team Dimash was with for the We Will Rock You + We are the Champions performance today performed another song together without him. Until about 1:54 where Dimash' voice is clearly there. But he's not on stage. And it's the most vocally edited thing I've ever seen from Di.. I'm sorry to post twice in a row but this is something far too strange not to mention. I hope he doesn't do something like this ever again because it's so clearly edited and autotuned all over the place. And I also hope this is just because Youku or whoever does the directing for this show thought it would provide a cool dance beat because it kinda does fit that purpose. Or that it's just a one time stylistic choice. youtu.be/icSXwbWMFscVery strange but I do think it does sound pretty cool but that's all I can give it
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Post by princezuko on Dec 11, 2021 20:05:19 GMT
Did he hit F#6 there? Highest flageolet ever And is it just me or dimash's voice is so easy to overpower? like here in queen medley and for example, Andrea Bocelli all easily overpower his high notes. His notes are closer to falsetto than full voice it seems, otherwise it would not sounds so weak. So this question comes to mind what makes this mix voice technique unique anyways literally most males can hit an E5 with a similar power via using reinforced falsetto. Is the difference only in the name?
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Post by kaji on Dec 11, 2021 22:10:49 GMT
Did he hit F#6 there? Highest flageolet ever And is it just me or dimash's voice is so easy to overpower? like here in queen medley and for example, Andrea Bocelli all easily overpower his high notes. His notes are closer to falsetto than full voice it seems, otherwise it would not sounds so weak. So this question comes to mind what makes this mix voice technique unique anyways literally most males can hit an E5 with a similar power via using reinforced falsetto. Is the difference only in the name? Andrea Bocelli uses a genuine reinforced classical voce piena in testa or a covered chest voice, so it will be more powerful despite him not being that good of a singer in terms of vocal production (compared to actual opera singers - Bocelli is more crossover pop). As for his mix - it is not 'super powerful' because he goes for range, not power or tone. When you have that much range, you sometimes have to sacrifice the quality of said range. Which is why singers such as Peabo Bryson (trained leggiero tenor although you can't really hear it in his style or approach) will not be going much above the tenor high C, or why a semi-classical soprano such as Kate Smith was rarely ever going above E5 (full voice). Same can be said for someone like Whitney who rarely if ever utilised her true extremes. Tonal quality, clarity and colour over range. As for the difference in name - a lot of those may be mix as well. I am not sure what examples you are referring to. But Dimash's mix is indeed done in the same laryngeal vibratory mechanism (M2) as the 'reinforced falsetto' or 'head voice'. The range of that performance linked earlier was B2, then B4 full voiced, G#5 in mix and F#6 in flageolet. At least what I caught, may have gone higher/lower.
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Post by malifalitic0 on Dec 12, 2021 6:29:06 GMT
he seems to hit G2 after the B2.
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Post by mehrhs9 on Dec 12, 2021 6:35:58 GMT
what second is F#6? I can't hear it
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Post by thatteenbaritone on Dec 12, 2021 6:52:14 GMT
what second is F#6? I can't hear it I believe its the first staccato
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Post by mehrhs9 on Dec 12, 2021 6:58:23 GMT
what second is F#6? I can't hear it I believe its the first staccato personally, I wouldn't count this it sounds heavily edited it could be even pitch-shifted they did use pitch shifting in his first performance
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Post by princezuko on Dec 12, 2021 15:51:47 GMT
unlive + pitch shift lol E6 there is not as strong as Karatorgai a.k.a his best. Around 2 min mark there exists a very different B4 from what he ve heard from him before. I guess that B4 is a heady mix or falsetto? lastly his G5 is more powerful than he used to have. This year is the G5 year for him.
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Post by malifalitic0 on Dec 12, 2021 17:13:02 GMT
unlive + pitch shift lol E6 there is not as strong as Karatorgai a.k.a his best. Around 2 min mark there exists a very different B4 from what he ve heard from him before. I guess that B4 is a heady mix or falsetto? lastly his G5 is more powerful than he used to have. This year is the G5 year for him. he's been hitting the B4 that way since forever lol and it's not pitch shifted but another recording
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Post by princezuko on Dec 12, 2021 17:15:47 GMT
no
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Post by Macca on Dec 12, 2021 18:21:18 GMT
some videos say his lowest note is F#1
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Post by princezuko on Dec 12, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
lowest F2 highest chest B4 highest mix B5 highest falsetto F6 highest whistle D8 imo
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Post by Rodney Blazershorts on Dec 12, 2021 18:42:53 GMT
some videos say his lowest note is F#1 I saw a video once that said that Antartica is full of forests and wildlife and that's why the govenment won't let you fly over it, true story.
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