Dimash Kudaibergen (141,866 views)

[roman]

Mar 26, 2020 19:28:39 GMT 'S said:

Pretty sure the OP said he had noted all of that notewatching. In any case, he can see the hidden posts so not to worry~

Sounds good, thanks!  :)

[justhere]

New song "Across Endless Dimensions" (OST for movie "Creators: The Past")
t.cn/A6ZLq2hh

[findingword]

^ Top belted note was an E5 and top head voice is an E6 I think

[roman]

Mar 28, 2020 2:17:14 GMT findingword said:

^ Top belted note was an E5 and top head voice is an E6 I think

yup

[falsetokaiba]

Mar 26, 2020 8:05:26 GMT roman said:

What's your opinion on this? Would it maybe be good to replace the bolded Eb6 in Opera 2 with that one?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjPCCuXOs2k&t=4m20s

(Btw, if you want to have an Opera 2 chorus note bolded, you could e.g. use the first chorus with the C6 instead. There's no bold C6 yet)

It's definitely a great passage of singing, but I would probably still pick the Opera #2 note ahead of it. That note is also already in the OP, it's from the song Autumn Strong which he also performed on The Singer.
I'd opt not to use Opera #2 for a bold C6 either, it would feel kind of redundant to me bolding the C6 in it given he hits the Eb6s later to pretty much the same quality.
If I did pick another E6 to bold for Dimash, it would probably be the ones from Gresnaya Strast or Ogni Pietra.

Also I thought I had checked all the old links on the thread before those old posts were hidden from view, although if there's notes I've missed I can definitely do another sweep through the old posts again some time and add them.

[findingword]

If you are counting studio notes, the E6 from Across Endless Dimensions should be a contender.

[roman]

Mar 28, 2020 14:27:27 GMT falsetokaiba said:

Mar 26, 2020 8:05:26 GMT roman said:

What's your opinion on this? Would it maybe be good to replace the bolded Eb6 in Opera 2 with that one?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjPCCuXOs2k&t=4m20s

(Btw, if you want to have an Opera 2 chorus note bolded, you could e.g. use the first chorus with the C6 instead. There's no bold C6 yet)

It's definitely a great passage of singing, but I would probably still pick the Opera #2 note ahead of it. That note is also already in the OP, it's from the song Autumn Strong which he also performed on The Singer.
I'd opt not to use Opera #2 for a bold C6 either, it would feel kind of redundant to me bolding the C6 in it given he hits the Eb6s later to pretty much the same quality.
If I did pick another E6 to bold for Dimash, it would probably be the ones from Gresnaya Strast or Ogni Pietra.

I see, thanks for the answer. Imo there is no real need for a second bold E6, but my favorite would probably be Ogni Pietra

Mar 28, 2020 14:28:45 GMT falsetokaiba said:

Also I thought I had checked all the old links on the thread before those old posts were hidden from view, although if there's notes I've missed I can definitely do another sweep through the old posts again some time and add them.

There were like 30 new notes (mostly new songs, but also times he went lower or higher live than normally in a song, and some vocal improvs)

[findingword]

Lost video? I don’t see a note that goes with it. It’s a clip from the song “Feeling good” and I cannot find the full version. Nothing spectacular but good display of control.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4Q9TTGtRQ

[roman]

Apr 2, 2020 19:06:30 GMT findingword said:

Lost video? I don’t see a note that goes with it. It’s a clip from the song “Feeling good” and I cannot find the full version. Nothing spectacular but good display of control.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=cD4Q9TTGtRQ

Thank you! There are 3 short clips of this performance available. All of them have already been notewatched and added to the users' note collection. We are just waitung for falsetokaiba to add them to the list. But the notes are already there, don't worry  :)

Mar 27, 2020 9:11:59 GMT justhere said:

New song "Across Endless Dimensions" (OST for movie "Creators: The Past")
t.cn/A6ZLq2hh

Same with Across Endless Dimensions. The E5 in mix and E6 in head voice from that octave jump are already in the submitted note collection. Only the B2 is still missing because not the whole song was available back then, only a teaser

[findingword]

Actually found the full version. Here, I think I hear a few G5’s?
m.facebook.com/FansDimashBrasil/videos/668620743678154/

[valsalva]

*apologies, just noticed already posted.

[findingword]

There is an F#7 whistle at 2:03 though it may be lipped. Growl at 1:06 can be put into spoilers. Song at beginning is “Drunken Concubine” Then it’s the Diva Dance.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=8T3J9TqU-QM

[ancient]

Apr 8, 2020 17:22:57 GMT findingword said:

There is an F#7 whistle at 2:03

the F♯7 is from the Diva Dance part of the performance, and since that note is already counted on the thread (as being from another Diva Dance performance), i don't see any reason to count it again

also, yeah it really sounds lipped

[roman]

Guys, we already talked about that one.
1) Not only that note, the whole Shanghai Spring Festival Gala wasn't live. All performers had to arrive 1 to 2 days earlier to do their recordings in the TV studio.
2) That note from that performance is already on the list anyway. Look closely :) There are 2 Diva Dance F#7s on the list, the second one is this one

Apr 3, 2020 2:16:50 GMT findingword said:

Actually found the full version. Here, I think I hear a few G5’s?
m.facebook.com/FansDimashBrasil/videos/668620743678154/

Yes, the G5 was already in the note collection users gave to falsetokaiba. Same with the C3 from that performance

[findingword]

Sorry, I saw that the growl at the 1 min mark wasn’t in spoilers so I wanted to check. My bad 😅

Found what I think is a B5 in mix during a concert.
2:27:48

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKk3QPxzQCE

[kaji]

Apr 9, 2020 23:24:39 GMT findingword said:

Found what I think is a B5 in mix during a concert.
2:27:48

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKk3QPxzQCE

His tone sounds more and more soprano-ish up there nowadays, and I'm here for it. Anyways, that was an A5. 

[roman]

Apr 9, 2020 16:20:29 GMT findingword said:

Sorry, I saw that the growl at the 1 min mark wasn’t in spoilers so I wanted to check. My bad 😅

Yeah, it's understandable anyway :) As long as the already submitted notes aren't on the public list, you can't know what was already notewatched and what not :)

I think the reason why falsetokaiba decided to add the F#7 earlier was that there was such big interest in the note because it was so high. Additionally, there were wrong information spread about the note. For example a big Russian YT channel said it was a further D8 :D and that video gained more than a million views in 2 days. So it's good that the F#7 was added more quickly :) There was quite some confusion about the note back then

[damonkarma]

D3-G4-A5 This is his supported range... He does not sound like a soprano he can't even support a tenor high C.

[roman]

Apr 11, 2020 14:49:36 GMT roman said:

Apr 11, 2020 14:32:15 GMT damonkarma said:

D3-G4-A5 This is his supported range... He does not sound like a soprano he can't even support a tenor high C.

There is no such thing as a "supported range" in vocal pedagogy. That's a term made up by Matheus Diaz (who has no clue about vocal pedagogy, but just runs a few entertainment channels on YT)a few years ago. And that term makes no sense.

Also you apparently don't know what support is. And whether you like this singer or not: He has great breath support.

[damonkarma]

PM me I will explain. Dimash raises his larynx after G4 in mix(in reality after D#4 but he can inconsistently support G4) that is what i meant, he has great breath support I know that.

[roman]

Apr 11, 2020 14:58:40 GMT damonkarma said:

PM me I will explain. Dimash raises his larynx after G4 in mix(in reality after D#4 but he can inconsistently support G4) that is what i meant, he has great breath support I know that.

I'm a formally trained singer with a lot of experience. With all due respect: You don't need to "explain" anything to me.

No, he does not raise his larynx at that point, he actually sings his belts with a lowered larynx til appr. D5. In his high mix, he uses twang with a slightly raised larynx, which is an absolutely natural laryngeal position for your upper mix. Your larynx naturally raises a little when you go higher. Trying to unnaturally keep it in a neutral position in the higher area of a register would just cause more tension.

However a laryngeal position doesn't tell you if something is "supported" or not anyway

Erm you are aware that in vocal pedagogy "support" is just the short term for "breath support", right? :-D

Why are people partly not interested in actual training and scientifically backed information? And even if you prefer YT as source (which is generally not ideal): There are tons of YT channels run by vocal coaches and even voice teachers. Why do you watch a layman entertainment channel instead to get information about a scientific field the channel owner is not educated in?

Can you please tell me what support is in your opinion?

[damonkarma]

Apr 11, 2020 15:13:36 GMT roman said:

Apr 11, 2020 14:58:40 GMT damonkarma said:

PM me I will explain. Dimash raises his larynx after G4 in mix(in reality after D#4 but he can inconsistently support G4) that is what i meant, he has great breath support I know that.

I'm a formally trained singer with a lot of experience. With all due respect: You don't need to "explain" anything to me.

No, he does not raise his larynx at that point, he actually sings his belts with a lowered larynx til appr. D5. In his high mix, he uses twang with a slightly raised larynx, which is an absolutely natural laryngeal position for your upper mix. Your larynx naturally raises a little when going higher. Trying to unnaturally keep it in a neutral position in the higher area of a register would just cause more tension.

However a laryngeal position doesn't tell you if something is "supported" or not anyway


Erm you are aware that in vocal pedagogy "support" is just the short term for "breath support", right? :-D

Why are people partly not interested in actual training and scientifically backed information? And even if you prefer YT as source (which is generally not ideal): There are tons of YT channels run by vocal coaches and even voice teachers. Why do you watch a layman entertainment channel instead to get information about a scientific field the channel owner is not educated in?

Can you please tell me what support is in your opinion?

A guidance for you
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxa7MZI8PYo 

2:18 G4 is supported
5:01 C6 is not supported
Dimash has an E2 
He has 10/10 flexibility 

A great introduction to Dimash, he is a good singer. In 10-15 years with proper training he could become an awesome singer.

[roman]

Apr 11, 2020 15:34:04 GMT damonkarma said:

Apr 11, 2020 15:13:36 GMT roman said:

I'm a formally trained singer with a lot of experience. With all due respect: You don't need to "explain" anything to me.

No, he does not raise his larynx at that point, he actually sings his belts with a lowered larynx til appr. D5. In his high mix, he uses twang with a slightly raised larynx, which is an absolutely natural laryngeal position for your upper mix. Your larynx naturally raises a little when going higher. Trying to unnaturally keep it in a neutral position in the higher area of a register would just cause more tension.

However a laryngeal position doesn't tell you if something is "supported" or not anyway


Erm you are aware that in vocal pedagogy "support" is just the short term for "breath support", right? :-D

Why are people partly not interested in actual training and scientifically backed information? And even if you prefer YT as source (which is generally not ideal): There are tons of YT channels run by vocal coaches and even voice teachers. Why do you watch a layman entertainment channel instead to get information about a scientific field the channel owner is not educated in?

Can you please tell me what support is in your opinion?

A guidance for you
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxa7MZI8PYo 

2:18 G4 is supported
5:01 C6 is not supported
Dimash has an E2 
He has 10/10 flexibility 

A great introduction to Dimash, he is a good singer. In 10-15 years with proper training he could become an awesome singer.

That's an absolutely nonsensical video by an uneducated Matheus fan (Matheus and the "Phantom of Singing" run a website together). I ask you once again: Why don't you consume vocal coach/voice teacher content, if you want to inform yourself about vocal technique on YT?
And what is breath support in your opinion?

Edit: You and me both know that you never had a single voice lesson. Really no offense, I'm just pointing it out

[findingword]

I get that I’m not the most knowledgeable on this topic but I can certainly say that the argument Damon is making is flawed and not true. The Matheus fandom has reached the point where they are more insane than some of Dimash’s fans. The Phantom of Singing also said that because Dimash’s B4 was louder it was strained. Sounds like something Matheus would say?

[roman]

Apr 11, 2020 15:48:24 GMT findingword said:

I get that I’m not the most knowledgeable on this topic but I can certainly say that the argument Damon is making is flawed and not true. The Matheus fandom has reached the point where they are more insane than some of Dimash’s fans. The Phantom of Singing also said that because Dimash’s B4 was louder it was strained. Sounds like something Matheus would say?

In fact it was louder because he changed from a contemporary to a bel canto technique. And everyone with at least basic vocal knowledge knows that.

Matheus fans are usually teenagers with no training and no education in vocals. But it's kind of worrying how little many young people are interested in actual knowledge these days. They prefer fake information of random YT channels over equally easily accessible (and also free) scentifically backed information from experts

Apr 11, 2020 15:48:24 GMT findingword said:

I get that I’m not the most knowledgeable on this topic but I can certainly say that the argument Damon is making is flawed and not true. The Matheus fandom has reached the point where they are more insane than some of Dimash’s fans. The Phantom of Singing also said that because Dimash’s B4 was louder it was strained. Sounds like something Matheus would say?

Btw, fun fact: Most of Matheus fans are not even hobby singers, but some are. And they partly upload their singing videos on their YT channels. And even though "support" is the holy grail of singing according to Matheus (and basically the only thing that really matters, because if you support most of the "rest" magically automatically works well   ) not a single one of them seems to support. Because they don't know what it is. Thanks to Matheus.

And btw, Not a single one has a healthy technique. And some of them really have unhealthy gravel in their voice due to using such a non-sustainable technique. But they won't take voice lessons, because Matheus tells them that they don't need to, because he "teaches" them everything they need to know. He's acting like a guru   and his fans partly develop vocal health issues because of him. That guy should seriously be sued, because he causes actual harm. Yes, his followers are naive, but they still don't "deserve" developing vocal problems. And all of that just for earning a few bucks. That's really immoral