Barbra Streisand (20,493 views)

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Dec 23, 2022 1:02:20 GMT sophiam122 said:

She's a soprano lol.

Idk about that, she strikes me more as a mezzo-soprano than a soprano.

[kaji]

Dec 23, 2022 1:31:59 GMT @ianvector said:

Dec 23, 2022 1:02:20 GMT sophiam122 said:

She's a soprano lol.

Idk about that, she strikes me more as a mezzo-soprano than a soprano.

Never heard her sing classical I suppose - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fKa5tWQano Painfully audible soprano voice. And that's also clear in chest voice. If you listen to enough traditional belters, you'll hear it. Tessitura is ridiculous. That A5 at the end should really be a bold by the way. This A5 too - youtu.be/47opW-odrSU?t=157 

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Dec 23, 2022 1:37:04 GMT kaji said:

Dec 23, 2022 1:31:59 GMT @ianvector said:

Idk about that, she strikes me more as a mezzo-soprano than a soprano.

Never heard her sing classical I suppose - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fKa5tWQano Painfully audible soprano voice. And that's also clear in chest voice. If you listen to enough traditional belters, you'll hear it. Tessitura is ridiculous. That A5 at the end should really be a bold by the way. This A5 too - youtu.be/47opW-odrSU?t=157 

Fair enough. I always thought her voice was much lower than that. Maybe I'm confusing her with someone else...

[sophiam122]

Her passaggi are G4 and C5.

[Steingrim]

Dec 23, 2022 2:18:22 GMT sophiam122 said:

Her passaggi are G4 and C5.

Various literature indicates that the difference between the female passagi is much larger than for males. And that the secondo passagio is usually much higher than that for a soprano.

[Tetra]

oh god not again

[kaji]

Dec 23, 2022 10:29:24 GMT Steingrim said:

Dec 23, 2022 2:18:22 GMT sophiam122 said:

Her passaggi are G4 and C5.

Various literature indicates that the difference between the female passagi is much larger than for males. And that the secondo passagio is usually much higher than that for a soprano.

Most sources talk distinctly about the way you approach the passaggi for female voices in classical music. Hence why the difference is so large. The secondo passaggio in classical for female voices is a passaggio in the head register. Hence why some pedagogues refer to it as a terzo passaggio instead. The actual modal passaggi are usually 5 semitones apart, which tracks roughly about right with what the user above referenced. 

[Steingrim]

Dec 24, 2022 1:14:41 GMT kaji said:

Dec 23, 2022 10:29:24 GMT Steingrim said:

Various literature indicates that the difference between the female passagi is much larger than for males. And that the secondo passagio is usually much higher than that for a soprano.

Most sources talk distinctly about the way you approach the passaggi for female voices in classical music. Hence why the difference is so large. The secondo passaggio in classical for female voices is a passaggio in the head register. Hence why some pedagogues refer to it as a terzo passaggio instead. The actual modal passaggi are usually 5 semitones apart, which tracks roughly about right with what the user above referenced. 

So as a male I'm supposed to have a break point also in the falsetto range ? I don't feel like there is one there, it seems to merely get thinner and in the end squeaky. Is that break point locked in with the modal passagi, at about one octave above the primo passagio ? I ask because people's falsetto ranges don't seem to correlate that well with their modal ranges. Some basses can reach ~C6 in falsetto but not very high in their modal voices, for instance.

[kaji]

Passaggi are not a break, they’re an acoustic shift.

[Steingrim]

Dec 24, 2022 10:15:14 GMT kaji said:

Passaggi are not a break, they’re an acoustic shift.

I do understand that. My jazz singer friend seems to have one at exactly E5. Going up in head voice to F causes some small issues.

[Homelander]

Sept 28, 2019 2:18:26 GMT galaxyseal said:

{Questionable Notes:}Any low breathy "sighs" or weak slides into the lower third octave (such as the E3 in "Until It's Time For You To Go" and E♭3 in "Make the Man Love Me") don't count towards her range and thus would go here.

With all due respect, I don’t think this spoiler is very useful. It’s already common knowledge that breathy sighs and whispers are not countable and would go into the Questionable Notes section. It would be helpful to see specific examples of these questionable notes instead of just a general statement describing what questionable notes are.

I apologize if I sound callous, but you’d might as well not include a Questionable Notes section if each specific example is not cited. (At least that’s my opinion)