Dimash Qudaibergen (8,380 views)

[amadeusd]

Nov 19, 2024 23:08:44 GMT ebitan said:

Nov 19, 2024 16:53:46 GMT amadeusd said:

Agreed. You’ll be fun.

I was talking about you. Anyways, didn't you say that you want to leave it? Looks like you are backtracking.

And I was, clearly, talking about you. I don't do shitty passive aggressive Twitter nonsense. 

No. I left the 'falsetto' issue because that's a massive can of worms around these parts. Point-scoring is a child's game. 

[ebitan]

Nov 20, 2024 3:58:30 GMT amadeusd said:

Nov 19, 2024 23:08:44 GMT ebitan said:

I was talking about you. Anyways, didn't you say that you want to leave it? Looks like you are backtracking.

And I was, clearly, talking about you. I don't do shitty passive aggressive Twitter nonsense. 

No. I left the 'falsetto' issue because that's a massive can of worms around these parts. Point-scoring is a child's game. 

You are going in circles now. Stonewalling is clearly the easier option rather than accepting the possibility that you could be wrong on an opinion or providing elaborations to your point of view.

Also the fact that falsetto being such a taboo subject here really speaks a lot about the amateur quality of discussions. Falsetto is literally just airy headvoice, nothing mystical about it.

[Bink]

you both need to shush. This is about notes. There is literally no need for this argument to be going on this long.

[Steingrim]

Nov 20, 2024 11:28:50 GMT ebitan said:

Nov 20, 2024 3:58:30 GMT amadeusd said:

And I was, clearly, talking about you. I don't do shitty passive aggressive Twitter nonsense. 

No. I left the 'falsetto' issue because that's a massive can of worms around these parts. Point-scoring is a child's game. 

You are going in circles now. Stonewalling is clearly the easier option rather than accepting the possibility that you could be wrong on an opinion or providing elaborations to your point of view.

Also the fact that falsetto being such a taboo subject here really speaks a lot about the amateur quality of discussions. Falsetto is literally just airy headvoice, nothing mystical about it.

You seem to be using two different systems of terminology. 

Mechanism  |   ebitan             |  amadeusd
                       |                           |
M1                 |   chest               |   chest/mix/head
M2                 |   falsetto/head |  falsetto

[amadeusd]

Nov 20, 2024 11:29:45 GMT Bink said:

you both need to shush. This is about notes. There is literally no need for this argument to be going on this long.

Kids need correcting. Also, the topic was the register in which certain notes are being produced by the singer the thread is for. So, yeah.... 

[Goober]

holy shit

[VocalDudeGuy]

Nov 20, 2024 18:37:04 GMT amadeusd said:

Nov 20, 2024 11:29:45 GMT Bink said:

you both need to shush. This is about notes. There is literally no need for this argument to be going on this long.

Kids need correcting. Also, the topic was the register in which certain notes are being produced by the singer the thread is for. So, yeah.... 

Tbf the convo kinda got off topic after a certain point.

[Electric Mami]

Exchanging about registers of notes sung by the singer is all fair and relevant, yes. The problem was rather the end of the exchange where you were spining at each other; that was unnecessary. Please just avoid it in the future

[ebitan]

Nov 20, 2024 18:37:04 GMT amadeusd said:

Nov 20, 2024 11:29:45 GMT Bink said:

you both need to shush. This is about notes. There is literally no need for this argument to be going on this long.

Kids need correcting. Also, the topic was the register in which certain notes are being produced by the singer the thread is for. So, yeah....

You sure got corrected. Though apparently with how "grown-up" you are trying to portray yourself, the first reaction you have towards an opposing point of view is resorting to stone-walling and belittlement. Humility and healthy discussion, apparently, aren't for adults.

Calling others "kid" also makes it even doubtful of your supposed non-kid-like maturity.

Nov 20, 2024 19:19:37 GMT Electric Mami said:

Exchanging about registers of notes sung by the singer is all fair and relevant, yes. The problem was rather the end of the exchange where you were spining at each other; that was unnecessary. Please just avoid it in the future

Sure, I will shall stop engaging this meaningless back and forth. Was initially expecting a productive discussion and possibly sorting out some opinions regarding head voice and whistle.

Nov 20, 2024 11:47:46 GMT Steingrim said:

Nov 20, 2024 11:28:50 GMT ebitan said:

You are going in circles now. Stonewalling is clearly the easier option rather than accepting the possibility that you could be wrong on an opinion or providing elaborations to your point of view.

Also the fact that falsetto being such a taboo subject here really speaks a lot about the amateur quality of discussions. Falsetto is literally just airy headvoice, nothing mystical about it.

You seem to be using two different systems of terminology. 

Mechanism  |   ebitan             |  amadeusd
                       |                           |
M1                 |   chest               |   chest/mix/head
M2                 |   falsetto/head |  falsetto

Head and Chest are clearly separate registers imo.

[Yojojo]

and so, the Dimash thread is officially back to normal

[Bink]

The consequences are none but my own.

[Steingrim]

Nov 20, 2024 21:21:08 GMT ebitan said:

Nov 20, 2024 11:47:46 GMT Steingrim said:

You seem to be using two different systems of terminology. 

Mechanism  |   ebitan             |  amadeusd
                       |                           |
M1                 |   chest               |   chest/mix/head
M2                 |   falsetto/head |  falsetto

Head and Chest are clearly separate registers imo.

In the system that you use - yes, but the term head is used to refer to singing above the passaggi in modal voice in the system that he uses. Different systems of terminology is a source of endless confusion in discussions on the voice.

[Skinner, The Betrayed]

Nov 20, 2024 19:19:37 GMT Electric Mami said:

Exchanging about registers of notes sung by the singer is all fair and relevant, yes. The problem was rather the end of the exchange where you were spining at each other; that was unnecessary. Please just avoid it in the future

[Steingrim]

This can boiled down to "where the head is the head".

[amadeusd]

I actively tried to avoid the register delineation argument.
Fwiw, I see 'chest' and 'head' as two different registers too, but they're both modal voice so specifics are needed.

[Steingrim]

Nov 21, 2024 6:08:14 GMT amadeusd said:

I actively tried to avoid the register delineation argument.
Fwiw, I see 'chest' and 'head' as two different registers too, but they're both modal voice so specifics are needed.

ebitan : He's singing D6 in head voice
amadeusd : He's not singing D6 in head voice

Both statements could be true, and in this case both are true.

[amadeusd]

Nov 21, 2024 7:01:56 GMT Steingrim said:

Nov 21, 2024 6:08:14 GMT amadeusd said:

I actively tried to avoid the register delineation argument.
Fwiw, I see 'chest' and 'head' as two different registers too, but they're both modal voice so specifics are needed.

ebitan : He's singing D6 in head voice
amadeusd : He's not singing D6 in head voice

Both statements could be true, and in this case both are true.

My point was that they (to me) seem clearly non-modal. Both can’t be true. Falsetto (as far as I’m concerned) is non modal. So yes terminology matters but there’s an objective factor at play in this one.

[Steingrim]

Nov 21, 2024 17:24:20 GMT amadeusd said:

Nov 21, 2024 7:01:56 GMT Steingrim said:

ebitan : He's singing D6 in head voice
amadeusd : He's not singing D6 in head voice

Both statements could be true, and in this case both are true.

My point was that they (to me) seem clearly non-modal. Both can’t be true. Falsetto (as far as I’m concerned) is non modal. So yes terminology matters but there’s an objective factor at play in this one.

To him "head voice" means M2.

[amadeusd]

Nov 21, 2024 19:22:10 GMT Steingrim said:

Nov 21, 2024 17:24:20 GMT amadeusd said:

My point was that they (to me) seem clearly non-modal. Both can’t be true. Falsetto (as far as I’m concerned) is non modal. So yes terminology matters but there’s an objective factor at play in this one.

To him "head voice" means M2.

Indeed - hence the terms matter as between us, but there's an objectivty to whether chest/head are modal or not (or what he calls non-modal voice I guess?) I was essentially agreeing, but noting that there is a deciding factor in terms of what's really going on. Terms can be sorted to the refer to what that is.. if you catch me.. Might not be clear though LOL 

[Steingrim]

Nov 22, 2024 1:22:11 GMT amadeusd said:

Nov 21, 2024 19:22:10 GMT Steingrim said:

To him "head voice" means M2.

Indeed - hence the terms matter as between us, but there's an objectivty to whether chest/head are modal or not (or what he calls non-modal voice I guess?) I was essentially agreeing, but noting that there is a deciding factor in terms of what's really going on. Terms can be sorted to the refer to what that is.. if you catch me.. Might not be clear though LOL 

Yeah, it was pretty clear that both of you thought that the D6 was non-modal. And sung better than a default falsetto.

Finding the source of the apparent disagreement is often a good idea when statements seem crazy. Some times it's the language used that differs. Here in Norway we have an old joke about the newly arrived American hotel guest who commended the receptionist for the clean sheet in his bed. The receptionist wasn't very good with English, but he got the part involving the clean sheet at least, those words mean "shit smeared out" in Norwegian, and the pronounciation is exactly the same. So the hotel probably had something like Def Con 1 going on for a while to fix "the problem".