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Post by hendrix94 on Jun 19, 2023 3:13:02 GMT
The B5 I feel like too should be bolded. Great stuff. The E♭6 is interesting to me, because I can't tell if the sudden drop is on purpose or not. The F♯6 is I feel like cracked into, though since it's hit twice I'm likely wrong. I'm very on the fence, because it's a great scream, but I'm just not sure how controlled it is. Both notes seem genuine to me. It gives me the feeling that he was playing; that F#6 is so spontaneous, he's just having fun; on the other hand it's better than many similar posts on Mike Patton's thread. (it's my opinion). |
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Post by hendrix94 on Jul 5, 2023 23:32:42 GMT
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Post by amadeusd on May 14, 2024 20:24:00 GMT
F♯6 (" Despite the Tears" Interview on Triple J 1995, [5]) Can someone give me timestamps for these? It's been a long time, but I recall absolutely nothing impressive in Despite The Tears, and am not totally convinced its Jeff (I assume there's been some development there in the last decade) so if there's something conclusive, I would also appreciate. |
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Post by Homelander on May 14, 2024 21:16:41 GMT
F♯6 (" Despite the Tears" Interview on Triple J 1995, [5]) Can someone give me timestamps for these? It's been a long time, but I recall absolutely nothing impressive in Despite The Tears, and am not totally convinced its Jeff (I assume there's been some development there in the last decade) so if there's something conclusive, I would also appreciate. I think this is the one in question: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz6jjHGUVw&t=409s |
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Post by amadeusd on May 14, 2024 22:46:28 GMT
Can someone give me timestamps for these? It's been a long time, but I recall absolutely nothing impressive in Despite The Tears, and am not totally convinced its Jeff (I assume there's been some development there in the last decade) so if there's something conclusive, I would also appreciate. I think this is the one in question: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziz6jjHGUVw&t=409sAh! Understandable. Very, very similar to the GG note. I would include both. Not sure why they're questionable. Shoddy, sure. Not questionable though. LOL. What's gone on..... |
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Post by IhateMana on May 14, 2024 23:51:59 GMT
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Post by amadeusd on May 16, 2024 19:57:29 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the Cannibal Corpse impression?
I picked that one up some years ago on DDD but the particular clip I had known about disappeared and after DDD went down I never bothered to find it again. I assume someone here has some access to it?
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Post by VocalDudeGuy on Jul 9, 2024 21:11:26 GMT
Yo, just came across this video, how Accurate do you guys think it is?
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Post by mushymarionette on Jul 9, 2024 23:20:49 GMT
I don't think his voice deteriorated all that much during that time period, it was likely just tired from the constant touring. Would it have deteriorated over time if he kept going with the same intensity and schedule? Perhaps, Plant wasn't spared either but one will never know. All I know is that in studio he was still very much in top-form, Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk sounds great all the way through even if not as top-heavy in terms of Jeff's vocal performances. For example, "Everybody Here Wants You" is an incredibly gorgeous vocal performance and his voice shows absolutely no decline in quality on that song.
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Post by amadeusd on Jul 10, 2024 0:49:28 GMT
I don't think his voice deteriorated all that much during that time period, it was likely just tired from the constant touring. Would it have deteriorated over time if he kept going with the same intensity and schedule? Perhaps, Plant wasn't spared either but one will never know. All I know is that in studio he was still very much in top-form, Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk sounds great all the way through even if not as top-heavy in terms of Jeff's vocal performances. For example, "Everybody Here Wants You" is an incredibly gorgeous vocal performance and his voice shows absolutely no decline in quality on that song. The end of Vancouver might be his best work in that particular range viz. melody lines in that range. I think his voice was tired, given he wasn't trained. Not sure there's more to that.. |
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Post by Subterranean Homesick Ålien on Jul 10, 2024 19:55:38 GMT
I don't think his voice deteriorated all that much during that time period, it was likely just tired from the constant touring. Would it have deteriorated over time if he kept going with the same intensity and schedule? Perhaps, Plant wasn't spared either but one will never know. All I know is that in studio he was still very much in top-form, Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk sounds great all the way through even if not as top-heavy in terms of Jeff's vocal performances. For example, "Everybody Here Wants You" is an incredibly gorgeous vocal performance and his voice shows absolutely no decline in quality on that song. This is one of those topics that I’ve been wondering about since I first became obsessed with Buckley, circa 15 years ago. To me, his voice—particularly his pitch—was significantly different before and after ~early 1994. If you listen to his 1993 performance of “Be Your Husband” from Live At Sin-e, or his Live 1992 performance of “Satisfied Mind”… youtu.be/bYukHsAsBxY?si=mvSue7gXRcKohoAN&t=0m57syoutu.be/zD7e-eQuhJM?si=1-UXC2_unY4-YttA&t=0m38s … His voice is absolutely STUNNING. Every single thing about his Voice-and his Delivery-is PERFECT. His voice is sooo full/rich/resonant, and his pitch, control, etc... Those Vocals are just flat-out untouchable. Then… Just months after Grace was released - the warmth/richness/resonance of his voice, and his pitch — seemed to deteriorate out of nowhere; But, in a way where it sounded like he was just a “less advanced Singer”, rather than it sounding like he’d “damaged his voice”. I’ve always thought that it sounded like he ‘had a Cold’ whenever he played Live. One other thing I wonder about is-if his Heroin use had anything to do with it. I’m not someone who immediately blames Alcohol/Cigarettes/Drugs for those kinds of problems, but I’m pretty sure that Heroin/Opiates-give you that same kind of “stuffy nose/cold” sound. |
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Post by amadeusd on Jul 11, 2024 3:45:06 GMT
I don't think his voice deteriorated all that much during that time period, it was likely just tired from the constant touring. Would it have deteriorated over time if he kept going with the same intensity and schedule? Perhaps, Plant wasn't spared either but one will never know. All I know is that in studio he was still very much in top-form, Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk sounds great all the way through even if not as top-heavy in terms of Jeff's vocal performances. For example, "Everybody Here Wants You" is an incredibly gorgeous vocal performance and his voice shows absolutely no decline in quality on that song. This is one of those topics that I’ve been wondering about since I first became obsessed with Buckley, circa 15 years ago. To me, his voice—particularly his pitch—was significantly different before and after ~early 1994. If you listen to his 1993 performance of “Be Your Husband” from Live At Sin-e, or his Live 1992 performance of “Satisfied Mind”… youtu.be/bYukHsAsBxY?si=mvSue7gXRcKohoAN&t=0m57syoutu.be/zD7e-eQuhJM?si=1-UXC2_unY4-YttA&t=0m38s … His voice is absolutely STUNNING. Every single thing about his Voice-and his Delivery-is PERFECT. His voice is sooo full/rich/resonant, and his pitch, control, etc... Those Vocals are just flat-out untouchable. Then… Just months after Grace was released - the warmth/richness/resonance of his voice, and his pitch — seemed to deteriorate out of nowhere; But, in a way where it sounded like he was just a “less advanced Singer”, rather than it sounding like he’d “damaged his voice”. I’ve always thought that it sounded like he ‘had a Cold’ whenever he played Live. One other thing I wonder about is-if his Heroin use had anything to do with it. I’m not someone who immediately blames Alcohol/Cigarettes/Drugs for those kinds of problems, but I’m pretty sure that Heroin/Opiates-give you that same kind of “stuffy nose/cold” sound. AS a fellow obssessee I note a few things: - I think you'd have to pick certain shows to support that his voice deteriorated post-early-1994. There are plenty of shows from 1995 and where this is not the case - Velvet Jungle, Bataclan, Chicago, WFMU sessions (2 of em) and a series of incredible bootlegs I've got (but on a laptop that is not currently functional - most can be found at The Bootleg Experience 3 website) as late as early '97 (Knitting Factory for instance. The Morning Theft on that show might be his most perfectly flawless performance recorded live). Second, He wasn't exactly "a heroin user" so I'm unsure that will have much to do with it. He did start smoking in 1995 on tour and was drinking fairly heavily on tour and this likely added both a weight, and 'blurriness' to his voice - the lack of which was one of his defining features earlier on. But then, you get notes like the "blaaaaaaack beauty" in the Chicago Mojo Pin which are beyond anything he was capable of earlier in his career. One thing I definitely noted reduced in his sets was the melismatic high stuff - think last couple of minutes of all four Sin-E versions of Sweet Thing. Just couldn't quite get that later on - and I would agree, that this was a lack of technique being untrained. Also, the Eb6 is totally legit. It shouldn't be spoilered. |
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Post by Subterranean Homesick Ålien on Jul 18, 2024 18:32:51 GMT
This is one of those topics that I’ve been wondering about since I first became obsessed with Buckley, circa 15 years ago. To me, his voice—particularly his pitch—was significantly different before and after ~early 1994. If you listen to his 1993 performance of “Be Your Husband” from Live At Sin-e, or his Live 1992 performance of “Satisfied Mind”… youtu.be/bYukHsAsBxY?si=mvSue7gXRcKohoAN&t=0m57syoutu.be/zD7e-eQuhJM?si=1-UXC2_unY4-YttA&t=0m38s … His voice is absolutely STUNNING. Every single thing about his Voice-and his Delivery-is PERFECT. His voice is sooo full/rich/resonant, and his pitch, control, etc... Those Vocals are just flat-out untouchable. Then… Just months after Grace was released - the warmth/richness/resonance of his voice, and his pitch — seemed to deteriorate out of nowhere; But, in a way where it sounded like he was just a “less advanced Singer”, rather than it sounding like he’d “damaged his voice”. I’ve always thought that it sounded like he ‘had a Cold’ whenever he played Live. One other thing I wonder about is-if his Heroin use had anything to do with it. I’m not someone who immediately blames Alcohol/Cigarettes/Drugs for those kinds of problems, but I’m pretty sure that Heroin/Opiates-give you that same kind of “stuffy nose/cold” sound. AS a fellow obssessee I note a few things: - I think you'd have to pick certain shows to support that his voice deteriorated post-early-1994. There are plenty of shows from 1995 and where this is not the case - Velvet Jungle, Bataclan, Chicago, WFMU sessions (2 of em) and a series of incredible bootlegs I've got (but on a laptop that is not currently functional - most can be found at The Bootleg Experience 3 website) as late as early '97 (Knitting Factory for instance. The Morning Theft on that show might be his most perfectly flawless performance recorded live). Second, He wasn't exactly "a heroin user" so I'm unsure that will have much to do with it. He did start smoking in 1995 on tour and was drinking fairly heavily on tour and this likely added both a weight, and 'blurriness' to his voice - the lack of which was one of his defining features earlier on. But then, you get notes like the "blaaaaaaack beauty" in the Chicago Mojo Pin which are beyond anything he was capable of earlier in his career. One thing I definitely noted reduced in his sets was the melismatic high stuff - think last couple of minutes of all four Sin-E versions of Sweet Thing. Just couldn't quite get that later on - and I would agree, that this was a lack of technique being untrained. Also, the Eb6 is totally legit. It shouldn't be spoilered. His 1995 Chicago Show is actually the first example I think of-as far as ‘Performances where he sounds stuffy/congested’, i.e. different than the way he sounded prior to ~late 94. I genuinely think he sounds ‘that way’ in all of those performances from that Show. As I said, although I do think his Pitch seems noticeably diminished compared to his earlier performances—the actual tone & texture of his Voice-is the thing that stands out to me. I know I already referenced it, but I just think that his vocals from that ‘95 Chicago Show’ sounds very different than his vocals in “Be Your Husband” from ‘93. When I listen that performance of ‘Be Your Husband’: IMHO… At no point—does he sound congested/nasally, at no point does his voice sound dry/tired; there is not a single note that is off-pitch, and every note, every riff/run sounds incredibly fluid, controlled, supported, and powerful. 1995 “Mojo Pin” — youtu.be/oo8GRnICt-Y?si=IeYHFiJt9zaBgKBX&t=1m52s1993 “Be Your Husband” — youtu.be/bYukHsAsBxY?si=mvSue7gXRcKohoAN&t=0m57sTo me, that is the perfect example of “technique+Artistry”; where, a Singer who has excellent technique, ‘uses their technique-in service of the Art’; rather than ‘using their “Art” in the service of their technique’. |
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Post by amadeusd on Jul 21, 2024 20:14:14 GMT
AS a fellow obssessee I note a few things: - I think you'd have to pick certain shows to support that his voice deteriorated post-early-1994. There are plenty of shows from 1995 and where this is not the case - Velvet Jungle, Bataclan, Chicago, WFMU sessions (2 of em) and a series of incredible bootlegs I've got (but on a laptop that is not currently functional - most can be found at The Bootleg Experience 3 website) as late as early '97 (Knitting Factory for instance. The Morning Theft on that show might be his most perfectly flawless performance recorded live). Second, He wasn't exactly "a heroin user" so I'm unsure that will have much to do with it. He did start smoking in 1995 on tour and was drinking fairly heavily on tour and this likely added both a weight, and 'blurriness' to his voice - the lack of which was one of his defining features earlier on. But then, you get notes like the "blaaaaaaack beauty" in the Chicago Mojo Pin which are beyond anything he was capable of earlier in his career. One thing I definitely noted reduced in his sets was the melismatic high stuff - think last couple of minutes of all four Sin-E versions of Sweet Thing. Just couldn't quite get that later on - and I would agree, that this was a lack of technique being untrained. Also, the Eb6 is totally legit. It shouldn't be spoilered. His 1995 Chicago Show is actually the first example I think of-as far as ‘Performances where he sounds stuffy/congested’, i.e. different than the way he sounded prior to ~late 94. I genuinely think he sounds ‘that way’ in all of those performances from that Show. As I said, although I do think his Pitch seems noticeably diminished compared to his earlier performances—the actual tone & texture of his Voice-is the thing that stands out to me. I know I already referenced it, but I just think that his vocals from that ‘95 Chicago Show’ sounds very different than his vocals in “Be Your Husband” from ‘93. When I listen that performance of ‘Be Your Husband’: IMHO… At no point—does he sound congested/nasally, at no point does his voice sound dry/tired; there is not a single note that is off-pitch, and every note, every riff/run sounds incredibly fluid, controlled, supported, and powerful. 1995 “Mojo Pin” — youtu.be/oo8GRnICt-Y?si=IeYHFiJt9zaBgKBX&t=1m52s1993 “Be Your Husband” — youtu.be/bYukHsAsBxY?si=mvSue7gXRcKohoAN&t=0m57sTo me, that is the perfect example of “technique+Artistry”; where, a Singer who has excellent technique, ‘uses their technique-in service of the Art’; rather than ‘using their “Art” in the service of their technique’. Reasonable. As regards Chicago '95, i'd say I only really note it in parts of Dream Brother - though that seemed like an artistic choice as it was at the top of the show - and some of the last section of Hallelujah - and there, in Hallelujah, it's a big sore red thumb for sure. But I mean, the Mojo Pin, the majority of Dream Brother, Lilac Wine and a couple of other cuts are essentially the same voice, but worn from touring to my ears. Again, your take is still totally reasonable to me I just don't hear this i nall the shows on that tour. I think Be Your Husband is a little bit unfair of an example - very much more restrained, cover work and in a small, quiet room not playing guitar. Yet, the point is still made. You could compared many performances around that time with his later voice and note differences. I would use the various versions of Chocolate and Tongue from that era as to compare with Be Your Husband, and note not much difference other than perhaps a lack of warm ups? Unsure. |
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Post by hendrix94 on Aug 24, 2024 13:17:08 GMT
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Post by VocalDudeGuy on Oct 28, 2024 3:21:45 GMT
{the thread wouldn't be complete without this not particularly standout F3 I just found. Also I bet you're the kind of person that dosen't link all your live notes}
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Post by amadeusd on Nov 7, 2024 0:39:39 GMT
God I Love Jeff Buckley.
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Post by Homelander on Nov 7, 2024 0:59:01 GMT
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