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Feb 1, 2021 1:00:33 GMT
Post by IhateMana on Feb 1, 2021 1:00:33 GMT
yeah it's kinda weird cause on the forum we don't reeeeaaaallly seem to want to bold green notes, and especially not if they're in italics, but I've always thought that note was crazy enough it should be mentioned in some way. In saying that though, I'd probably say the same about every scream on Dum Spiro Spero, so I'd probably struggle to single any out
I think the F#5 in Reiketsu Nariseba is just as crazy as well
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Feb 1, 2021 9:53:00 GMT
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Post by shibito on Feb 1, 2021 9:53:00 GMT
Understandable. I found it kinda weird that it is even a green note since while it is scremed, it is still pretty clean. At least compared to screams from Dum Spiro Spero or even other songs on Uroboros(Stuck Man)
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Feb 4, 2021 1:38:08 GMT
Post by mrchonghead on Feb 4, 2021 1:38:08 GMT
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Post by IhateMana on Feb 4, 2021 12:08:16 GMT
I caught that when I notewatched it originally, but I wasn't particularly inclined to include it in the thread, as the song also has an F#5 and a G#5. We're sticklers for over-inclusion round these parts.
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Feb 8, 2021 8:02:12 GMT
Post by mrchonghead on Feb 8, 2021 8:02:12 GMT
Easy stuff; I forgot to consider those other ones lmao. All good! 8-)
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Aug 16, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
Post by Døc on Aug 16, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
Quick correction, in the studio version of "Gunya Ketsuron, Soshite Chimanako" The phrase that contains the G5 is sung in falsetto. However, Kyo belts the entire chorus in the "Mania No Shikan" live recording (recorded in November of 2018, released as part of the INFINITUM blu-ray), including the G5.
If anything should be a candidate for a bolded performance, it should be this. I've listened to this about 30 times and it still gives me chills.
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Aug 20, 2021 22:51:18 GMT
Post by IhateMana on Aug 20, 2021 22:51:18 GMT
don't know that I like it quite enough to bold, and the G5 is already black in the thread
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Nov 10, 2021 17:23:44 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 10, 2021 17:23:44 GMT
What do you mean by unpitchable for the Giji Necromancer lows? These are the verse lows right? don't know that I like it quite enough to bold, and the G5 is already black in the thread Also, the studio version is falsetto.
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Nov 14, 2021 20:21:00 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 14, 2021 20:21:00 GMT
In Giji Necromancer He generally follows the chorus on the low notes. He starts on B1, slides down to mixed fry d1, follows the verse through mixed E1's to some strong F#1's, and dips down into some absolutely toneless B0's, before ending the phrase with a with a strong D1, A surprisingly strong C#1, and another toneless B0, ending the section. In my opinion, most of this section is much stronger than both included A1's. Smitty also took a crack at this and we pretty much agree that most of these notes are countable.
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Post by IhateMana on Nov 15, 2021 7:50:32 GMT
I've listened to that passage of the song quite a few times, and I can't say I agree with your assessments of the pitches. I think that first part is mostly D2s, ending around F1. The majority of that passage to my ears is on D2 and the odd dip to B1 which i'm honestly not sure is on purpose, while the D1 in the spoiler box is that almost inaudible dip near the end of the passage. I also think the note he lands on at the end is probably closer to G1 than anything else.
In addition to this, I think it's wholly possible that we're interpreting these notes as being somewhat strong simply because of the musical setting allowing use to fill in the gaps, and I've honestly never been that impressed with them outside of sounding "cool"
How do I say this... Smitty's standards and mine uhh... diverge I guess. And I get that I'm seen as being quite fussy with lows, but i kinda think we should be a little more critical with them than we are; fry is not the low note equivalent of falsetto
p.s. I'd totally hear an argument to remove both the A1's, I've never liked the "Dunes" A1 in particular, it was discord consensus to count it
p.p.s. Kuyashii originally pitched "Giji Necromancer" as bottoming at B1, as did Platypus
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Nov 15, 2021 13:26:48 GMT
Post by Smitty. on Nov 15, 2021 13:26:48 GMT
I've listened to that passage of the song quite a few times, and I can't say I agree with your assessments of the pitches. I think that first part is mostly D2s, ending around F1. The majority of that passage to my ears is on D2 and the odd dip to B1 which i'm honestly not sure is on purpose, while the D1 in the spoiler box is that almost inaudible dip near the end of the passage. I also think the note he lands on at the end is probably closer to G1 than anything else. In addition to this, I think it's wholly possible that we're interpreting these notes as being somewhat strong simply because of the musical setting allowing use to fill in the gaps, and I've honestly never been that impressed with them outside of sounding "cool" How do I say this... Smitty's standards and mine uhh... diverge I guess. And I get that I'm seen as being quite fussy with lows, but i kinda think we should be a little more critical with them than we are; fry is not the low note equivalent of falsetto p.s. I'd totally hear an argument to remove both the A1's, I've never liked the "Dunes" A1 in particular, it was discord consensus to count it p.p.s. Kuyashii originally pitched "Giji Necromancer" as bottoming at B1, as did Platypus I thought the F#1 was fine but ill relisten to see if im wrong They weirdly reminded me of blaze bayley's G1 which isnt countable so it probably isnt What does his dunes A1 sound like? Edit: upon relistening im quite unsure those are 1st octave so idk if id count it either
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Nov 15, 2021 15:22:11 GMT
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Post by Døc on Nov 15, 2021 15:22:11 GMT
I've listened to that passage of the song quite a few times, and I can't say I agree with your assessments of the pitches. I think that first part is mostly D2s, ending around F1. The majority of that passage to my ears is on D2 and the odd dip to B1 which i'm honestly not sure is on purpose, while the D1 in the spoiler box is that almost inaudible dip near the end of the passage. I also think the note he lands on at the end is probably closer to G1 than anything else. In addition to this, I think it's wholly possible that we're interpreting these notes as being somewhat strong simply because of the musical setting allowing use to fill in the gaps, and I've honestly never been that impressed with them outside of sounding "cool" How do I say this... Smitty's standards and mine uhh... diverge I guess. And I get that I'm seen as being quite fussy with lows, but i kinda think we should be a little more critical with them than we are; fry is not the low note equivalent of falsetto p.s. I'd totally hear an argument to remove both the A1's, I've never liked the "Dunes" A1 in particular, it was discord consensus to count it p.p.s. Kuyashii originally pitched "Giji Necromancer" as bottoming at B1, as did Platypus I would agree with you, but the entire section has a different character from his second octave lows. There is this rumbling texture that he just doesn’t have with any low second octaves listed, even the ones that dip into fry. I used to think it mostly was second octave lows until a few months ago. This doesn’t sound as much like the Midwife D2 as it sounds like the midwife A1. Given the E1 slide later in the same album, which sounds very similar, I’d say it’s quite likely that this was something he could pull off at time of recording. Also, there is an E1 that is quite sharp in this section as well, which generally would not happen in the second octave of his range. I’d say first octave for most of these vocals. p.s. I'd totally hear an argument to remove both the A1's, I've never liked the "Dunes" A1 in particular, it was discord consensus to count it I'd argue to remove dunes, but not Midwife. Midwife is powerful and countable, it's also repeated multiple times in song, so its not some sort of mistake or random low. I'm skeptical of one-off low notes. Mix frys that repeat or are reached multiple times in melodic context are countable in my opinion because that rules out the possibility of the note being a happy studio accident. Hence why I was trying so hard to pitch Giji Necromancer. I actually would not count any non-melodic fry notes (that don't repeat, or are not sustained) because that could just be gravely trash that just has the illusion of sounding deep but is actually just fry distortion. I never understood why people counted spoken word vocals unless it is a large part of their repertoire. The "Dunes" A1 is a toneless mess. If discord wants to count dunes, then they should also count the E1 from "Junboku, Muku de Arou ga", because that is a much stronger fry note. We both know that you don't want to count that E1 (I would not count it either), which means that the dunes A1 should not be counted either.
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Nov 20, 2021 15:51:59 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 20, 2021 15:51:59 GMT
New Sukekiyo song dropped. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnayRE-uR7wStrong G2's and A2's in the verse, the highest modal note in the chorus is D5, and the highest falsetto note is an E5 (also in the chorus). In the second verse at around 4:15, there is a backing harmony where he sings an E2 and a couple of A2's behind the A2 and C3's in the foreground. I don't know if anything should be bolded, but the E2 sounds stronger than the F# on Uso. His low vocals are quite strong and rich on this track.
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Nov 21, 2021 8:04:42 GMT
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Post by IhateMana on Nov 21, 2021 8:04:42 GMT
not hearing your E2 though i think i hear where it's supposed to be
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Nov 21, 2021 23:24:12 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 21, 2021 23:24:12 GMT
not hearing your E2 though i think i hear where it's supposed to be It's really quick, It's obscured by the mix, and possibly youtube compression. otherwise there are a bunch of G2's all over the song.
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Nov 22, 2021 5:52:58 GMT
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Post by IhateMana on Nov 22, 2021 5:52:58 GMT
The G2s were kinda slight and felt more like anacrusis to me
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Nov 25, 2021 19:11:00 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 25, 2021 19:11:00 GMT
E2's in the left channel. all the high frequencies in that harmony have been cut but you can hear E2's and F2's in that section.
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Nov 25, 2021 22:12:48 GMT
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Post by IhateMana on Nov 25, 2021 22:12:48 GMT
yep that's more or less the spot I assumed you were hearing them. I'm not 100% convinced that's a voice, or that it goes lower than A2
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Nov 26, 2021 11:10:55 GMT
Post by namainohana on Nov 26, 2021 11:10:55 GMT
To be fair best A1 I've heard. Crazy good lows. very impressed
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Nov 26, 2021 21:57:50 GMT
Post by Døc on Nov 26, 2021 21:57:50 GMT
yep that's more or less the spot I assumed you were hearing them. I'm not 100% convinced that's a voice, or that it goes lower than A2 It is a voice, and it's his, just with a low pass filter slapped on it. You can hear the harmony in that section go E2-F2-E2 under the foreground E3-D3-E3. This is the part from 3:02 to 3:07. The note itself happens at around 3:04-3:05 ish. For the chofu green hall dunes C6, I hear it actually top out at C#6. Also there is an Eb5 in koku, the new song with petit Brabancon. Also a series of solid E5s in the chorus of Kawaki.
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Mar 25, 2022 14:52:24 GMT
Post by azuler on Mar 25, 2022 14:52:24 GMT
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Mar 25, 2022 21:51:56 GMT
Post by IhateMana on Mar 25, 2022 21:51:56 GMT
(going to ignore all the inhales) Notes like that F6 I'm kinda skeptical of counting for the same reason that B6 is in the spoiler. Like sure it's "sustained", but he's not exactly sustaining it on F6 or anything, that's just where it maxes out. He's kinda just pushing until his voice cracks and then holding it as long as he can. That other F6 sounds like it's probably 5th octave to me. The cool slide gets up to A5
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Apr 17, 2022 18:17:48 GMT
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May 5, 2022 18:35:01 GMT
Post by azuler on May 5, 2022 18:35:01 GMT
youtu.be/UB29JxjU5Og?t=274 theres a C#6 scream i think followed by a A6 whistle youtu.be/XPgdgUENy4k?t=202 theres 3 F6 whistles and the last one sounds closer to E6 for me youtu.be/xrBnuIj0wxc?t=208 idk if im hearing things but i think the background vocal hits a A#5 youtu.be/wSE83khfYiw?t=25 no idea what note this is E? Also do u have a opinion on the stuck man slides since i dont think its very possible to really say words while inhaling notes i think he slides to A#6 in most of the live versions as well as in the studio ver
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May 12, 2022 1:19:51 GMT
Post by IhateMana on May 12, 2022 1:19:51 GMT
I will get around to those other notes at some point, please bare with me lol, but I may as well comment on the Stuck Man notes.
I don't think the screams in that song are inhaled at all (though there is one part of the song that's audibly being inhaled, but I'd hardly describe it as a scream anyway). They're 5th octave to my ears and are actually already in the thread :)
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