Kyo (17,097 views)

[azuler]

youtu.be/WCeGtnmkWeQ?t=227 B6 a little dubious identity but its controlled when compared to the inhale at 4:56 also falsetto A5 at 5:02, B5 at 5:56
youtu.be/EfBVte3nnVk?t=72 dip to C#2 not that amazing of a note but for early dir pretty suprising

[IhateMana]

*B5, pretty good too

I wouldn't gas up that Embryo note tbh

[electricmami]

Hi there,

since Petit Brabançon released their first album “Fetish” yesterday, I gave it a shot and liked a lot ! I also noticed quite a few very interesting notes in this record and thought I'd help by marking all the low notes and high notes with timestamps and register ! Feel free to leave some out since I did pick a bunch of these, but I'm a hundred percent sure about the pitch of each single note. I admittedly didn't plan to make it this complete, but there we go. I also notewatched A Praying Man, since it would be the only Petit Brabançon song I wouldn't have checked for the notes haha.

Here's the spreadsheet with all the notes : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TQASN2Ex3_wgyDILlHyuhv-tRhYDf18ezCP3PG6SJkQ

[IhateMana]

awesome

I still like to do my own notewatching, think of it as inter-rater reliability. But sometimes I miss the odd harmony so I'll use that to see if you got something I didn't

[electricmami]

thank you !

I totally get that, I myself too like to do things myself, but I'm glad this can help !

[azuler]

youtu.be/Syce4Z90PV8?t=20
What do you think about these notes I can at least pitch a C6 and F6 there

[electricmami]

Sept 8, 2022 11:38:39 GMT azuler said:

youtu.be/Syce4Z90PV8?t=20
What do you think about these notes I can at least pitch a C6 and F6 there

the notes are A5 (that sort of word/noise he does before the whistle fry notes) D5, E5, F5/F#5 (he's between the two) and G#5, but the overtones make it sound like 6th octave notes. nice F#5 at 1:37 too. personally, i'd consider that A5 an anacrusis and therefore non-countable, and the G#5 worth mentioning in the thread, but let's see what Mana would think of it.

i'd say it's similar to that awesome G5 whistle fry scream Kyo does at the end of the last chorus of Rasetsukoku, from the "mode of MACABRE" gig, and the also impressive G#5's and A5's from the 2008 Shot In One Take version of DOZING GREEN.

Also, since the video you shared doesn't have the song's title mentioned, I can say it's "AGITATED SCREAMS OF MAGGOTS -UNPLUGGED-". Speaking of ASOM, would it be possible to mention the B5 Kyo does in the "mode of THE MARROW OF A BONE" performance in the thread please Mana ? He does another one 11 seconds before and a G#5 59 seconds after the linked moment of the video, but imo the strongest of these is definitely that one B5. Might even be worth bolding it ? I don't know, you decide

[electricmami]

I'm as well proposing new links to replace the dead ones of the bolded notes :

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}

• Hageshisa A♯5
  
• DREAMBOX A5
  
• Reiketsu Nariseba G♯5
  
• VANITAS G♯5
  
• Karasu G5
  
• INCONVENIENT IDEAL F♯5
  
• Ware, Yami Tote… F♯5
  
• Toguro F♯5
  
• BUGABOO F5
  
• DOZING GREEN E5
  
• Gaika C♯5
  
• DIABOLOS A♯4
  

• AMON A♯2
  
• DOZING GREEN G♯2
• GLASS SKIN G♯2
• Toguro G♯2
• Higeki G2
• Rasetsukoku G2

• Highest note (Shitataru Mourou E6)

Sorry if that's a lot. Feel free to correct the timestamp by a few seconds, but at least we now have new updated links !

Also, there are some notes that aren't that remarkable in there, the hemimetabolism F♯2 in particular, as opposed to the Reiketsu Nariseba C♯6 (by the way it's not a C6 – he does slowly goes down to B5, but it totally starts at C♯6) which is super strong and sustained, and the high pitched whistle fry screaming is a technique he's really known for, so that falls under the definition of bolded notes.
I would also like to talk about some of the questionable notes so we can try to sort out/empty as much as possible this category, but I feel like I already gave you a lot of work Mana, sorry about that xD

[IhateMana]

Sept 8, 2022 11:38:39 GMT azuler said:

youtu.be/Syce4Z90PV8?t=20
What do you think about these notes I can at least pitch a C6 and F6 there

that actually sounds like it gets as high as G#6. though i'd be interested to see whether or not others think that's representative enough to be countable. he's certainly not getting great cord closure there, but perhaps i'm just overly fussy

EDIT: aight i didn't see that we'd already had one person say it could be overtones, so not a great start lol. personally it sounds 6th octave at the fundamental, but he's just pushing as hard as he can to see what happens. whistle-fry overtones or something similar probably isn't a bad observation though, in any case it's rather weak imo octave notwithstanding

[IhateMana]

responding to electricmami

re: Agitated Screams of Maggots. admittedly i'm a bit iffy about those ones where you can almost exclusively hear the overtone, as their a little harder to... prove? i suppose? i can definitely hear the G#5, but i'm not really vibing with it too much, there'll be better screams out there from this song probably. that being said, how often is it listed in the thread already? i avoid over-including

my right hand is currently injured, so i'll have to come back to those links at a later date (i'm typing this at a snail's pace with my left hand). i don't really see the issue with the Hemimetabolism F#2s tbh. he maintains some really nice tone with a decent amount of agiity quite far down his register. i know he has a pretty substantial lower register, but his voice is still reasonably high, wouldn't be much lower than mine, if at all. he doesn't exactly have a dearth of notes that make you go "oh wow, nice" down their, so i feel that passage is worth highlighting

as far as the questionable notes go, is your issue with some of the fiddly octaves and registers? if not, let me know what you think is up. apologies for taking so long to reply, i'm not super forum-active any more, they're gonna send me to the knackers any day now

[electricmami]

I understand you being iffy about those screams, since overtones tricked me more than once too. It's also frustrating to realise a note is a whole octave lower than you tought lol. Personally, I like to refer to actually counted/countable from similar screams (like the live Rasetsukoku G5 I mentioned), as well as the note's wideness, as advised by a friend. If a C6 sounds like a C7 but it's pretty wide sounding compared to, say, Mariah Carey's C7 in Emotions, then it has overtones and it's a C6.

Let's put it that way : if it's a whistle fry scream, it's pretty much guaranteed to be overtones, while a "simple" whistled note would sound more piercing and authentic. On a personal basis, I can also mention that reaching, well, 7th octaves notes for me is really harder and requires me to whistle only, while 6th octaves that are whistle fry screams are easier for me. I started practising the two techniques not so long ago, a few months maybe, but yeah, I can directly hear my voice and tell how overtones sound, and how an authentic 6th/7th octave note sounds. Learning the technique helped me a lot, but it's still hard to tell, admittedly !

So for that ASOM -UNPLUGGED- live performance, I do agree it sounds like 6th octave, but that's just how hard overtones can trick us really. It sounds pretty much like the screams in that Shot In One Take DOZING GREEN, but much less powerful, yes. I'd say it's a really light whistle fry scream with clear tone, and the way the tone sounds a little "distorted" (to me, at least) is actually the "effect" the overtones give to the note, as well as the slight use of fry here. So that's a G♯5 for the highest note, and it also feels too wide to be a G♯6, to me. And that scream from "mode of THE MARROW OF A BONE" ASOM performance is indeed a B5 ! Now for how often ASOM was mentioned in the thread, the answer is twice (and a third time for the unplugged version), so I guess a clear whistle fry scream executed live would be fine to mention ?

Yeah you're right actually, the hemimetabolism F♯2 is good, I just didn't find it that impressive, personally. But it's true that it's still quite a low note and that it's perfectly executed here, so yes, why not keeping it bolded, indeed.

For the questionable notes :

SPOILER: Click to show

Yeah I have an issue with octaves and registers indeed. For instance that super impressive C7 in the live HYDRA -666- is actually C6 (that's a lot of 6's lol) with powerful overtones, so it's a countable "green" note to me. Same for the two MACABRE live C♯7's (there's only one mentioned but yeah he did two in that one performance) which are actually C♯6's (Edit : no, the first one is an inhaled C♯7 which is easier to realise when watching the video indeed, and the second one rather peaks at a slightly sharp C6), so same, "green" note, and countable. For that live The inferno E6, I'd tend to count it as well since it's similarly long to the counted Shitataru Mourou E6 falsetto, but then again, you own the thread so you decide ! Another whistle fry note that's being considered "questionable" with which I disagree is the C♯6 of the new mazohyst of decadence, which is actually a C6. To describe the note, he starts it lightly with little to no tone, then pushes more to actually have tone, then goes higher up to C6, then loses tone (I suppose that's where you counted the C♯6), and goes down from a longer sustained and much clearer C6, to what I believe is a F5 (but considering the vibrato, it's hard to tell, but when I try to repeat the note at a lower octave to double check, it seems to be F5, but that doesn't matter since it's not the note we're interested in here).

Now for two low fry notes. I'd terribly want a note to be counted in these questionable notes too : Giji Necromancer. The lowest you pitched in there is D1 (and to be honest I found about the same when trying to pitch the whole section), which is indeed pretty much unpitchable and kinda toneless, but the lowest note that has an impressive amount of tone in there is F♯1. When trying to pitch the whole section, I realised he was kind of following the bass, and the bass goes down to F1, but Kyo didn't really reach that : he did F♯1, and his voice dipped into F1 for a bit at the very end of that F♯1. The lowest controlled note in there with enough tone is F♯1, and I'd even be tempted to ask bolding it considering how impressively strong it is of a low fry note, it's even one of the loudest in the entire part, you'll notice. He also does it a bit later in the part, but for less long. If you'd like to re-examine the note, here's a link to the song : www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLRDM6GzYY. Part is between 1:08 and 1:23. First F♯1 is at 1:12, and the second, short F♯1 is at 1:18. For another low fry note I'd like to talk about, there's Isolated spiral. I saw you mentioned a C2 for it in there, but I didn't find any C2 in that song ? I did find the clear C♯2 opening the song and the surprising B1 towards 0:10 (if I remember correctly) to be particularly strong though. I linked them in my recent Google Sheets, if you'd like to double-check.

Another note I'd really, really be like to be counted is the 304goushitsu Shita to Yoru B6. Here's my argument in favour of it : the song is built towards this rather dark, and shoegaze-y vibe, so the fact that Kyo choose that cracked whistle to go this high is all purposeful. The tone is also progressively high in a way that sounds controlled, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did multiple takes to see how high he could actually go, since the B6 that we hear on the record is held for over half a second, which again, is about as long as the counted E6 from Shitataru Mourou. Considering how quickly the pitch evolves in that moment, that is fairly long, and I'd safely bet that Kyo purposefully held it. That's why I'd suggest it to be counted ! It's all purposeful and controlled.

For notes I would agree not counting, there is the live of dunes D6 : his voice cracked into it as he pushed higher into his falsetto register, so the highest note in there is actually a falsetto C6, right before he pushes higher and it cracks to that D6 you mentioned. The E6 in Utsutsu, Bouga o Kurau is also a whistle fry with overtones (so E5), but I don't think Kyo purposefully brought tone to it, so it's another green note, but it's not countable, because unpurposeful and uncontrolled. It's kinda like a whispered fry note with some sort of voice crack due to the use of fry technique. As for the ROTTING ROOT G♯7, I think we can both agree that it's an uncontrolled happy accident.

Also, take care of you, and take your time ! We all eventually drift away from some interests, but that doesn't make you good for the knackers, considering your status in TRP and the number of threads you hold. I also hope your hand will get better quickly. I can imagine how frustrating it is to write from one hand only

[azuler]

youtu.be/23zB4jdc9Gw?t=187

Any opinions on this B5? It could be some weird voice crack but it also sounds pretty strong

[electricmami]

Yeah it's a voice crack definitely

[azuler]

youtu.be/gDgqfmKMojc?t=111 D5, E5 and falsetto F5 in new sukekiyo song

[Døc]

Oct 7, 2022 15:26:47 GMT azuler said:

youtu.be/gDgqfmKMojc?t=111 D5, E5 and falsetto F5 in new sukekiyo song

The first F5 in each chorus is falsetto, the rest of them are mix register. 

[electricmami]

Okay everyone this is not a drill, be ready :
The A♯5 at the end of Hageshisa is not in falsetto ; it's in mix. The Symphonic Ver. of it doesn't have the lower harmony of that part and allows us to hear this piercing, very thin, and a bit raspy, A♯5 in mix more distinctly. Take a listen : youtu.be/HlzGE0YOnKE?t=240. By the way, it's the same A♯5 as the one in the album version.

[IhateMana]

I'd still "blue" that tbh

[electricmami]

But it isn't a "blue" note, that's the thing ; not falsetto nor head. It's in mix, so it should be black. Keeping it blue is like keeping the Karasu G5 in black, in a way (because yes, the Karasu G5 is in falsetto, not mix)

I'm also not sure how you hear inhales from the 3 highest questionable notes, of which the 2nd and 3rd highest are 6th octave whistle fry screams (we can distinctly hear Kyo breathe in then push for exhaled notes in both cases). For the highest one, an inhale would require a blank between the exhaled note that Kyo does before going for that weak scream that led to this questionable whistled note, and that blank is mandatory to switch between the two techniques, yet it isn't there ; the part is in one go, exhaled.

In the case of ROTTING ROOT, 3a (erratic pitch) is definitely the reason why it's questionable. For HYDRA -666- (C6) and MACABRE -Sanagi no Yume wa Ageha no Hane- (C♯6), they just aren't questionable to me since the technique and its specifications (overtones) are well known and can therefore be classified properly, but if you really want to leave them in the "Questionable Notes" section, I would suggest to put them in green and to go for 5e (otherwise unspecified technique). But none of these are inhaled, for sure

[IhateMana]

you can literally see boss inhale for that Macabre note...

[electricmami]

Oh, you're talking about that one during the bass solo, lol yeah that one is inhaled. I'm talking about this one, which probably peaks at a slightly sharp C6 instead of C♯6 : youtu.be/DD9YAKUz4PU?t=594

[IhateMana]

I think I may have acknowledged that one in the spoiler on the old version of this thread, it is indeed 6th octave. but it's pretty wild and all over the place so I wouldn't be comfortable putting it in the main thread body

[IhateMana]

"not sure how you're hearing those three highest questionable notes as inhales"

i mean I'll give you the Hydra-666- one as contentious, but as we've now established, the Macabre note I'm acknowledging is the one about 8 and a half minutes in, which is the single most inhaled note of all time. And that Rotting Root note sounds a lot like one of Blixa Bargeld's raptor screeches, so I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine why it's been marked as an inhalation.

like i don't mind y'all giving me feedback and suggestions and shit, but some of the way y'all word things is a little condescending

[electricmami]

Fair enough, Kyo has made much better screams lol
Sorry for the confusion too ; I did realise later (I mean, after my long post from September 18) that the C♯7 was inhaled when also watching the video (which helped) but forgot to edit it, so I did today, to avoid confusion again

[IhateMana]

oh jesus are they really doing another Sukekiyo too? can they not put this energy into making a half decent dir en grey album instead?

[electricmami]

lmao looks like you didn't like PHALARIS xD. I think I spotted a C6 in Yumemi Doro in the preview of AMOR by sukekiyo, but I'm not sure if its quality would be great enough to be mentioned in the thread.

No idea who Blixa Bargeld is, so I can't relate on the similarity about that ROTTING ROOT note, but mmh… Just so we can be sure too, which G♯7 are we talking about ? xD The one at 2:04, or the one at 3:07 ? Because the one at 3:07 does seem to have that break where Kyo stops his exhaled note and starts inhaling, so yeah not really a stretch to call it inhaled, but the one at 2:04, mmh… Does seem exhaled, and is closer to A7 too. I can think we can both agree none of these are countable anyway ?

Sorry for sounding condescending, it really wasn't my goal. We're here to help each other making a database that's as accurate and objective possible, so sounding condescending is really not the way I want to proceed. Genuinely sorry for sounding as such, especially knowing that you're not coming that often here as you mentioned, so I can imagine how unnerving it must be to come back to feel attacked. My sincere apologies again