Tutorial: How We Include Notes (9,690 views)

[senatorsenpai]

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this question! I'm working on some new threads but I was just wondering, do you have to include each example of a note for your thread to be ready for Range Stuff? I notice some threads can have like a few dozen examples of songs per note, and no offense intended, but it seems superfluous and not user friendly in some cases. I'd like to just include a handful of the best examples but I'm wondering if my threads would be disqualified from moving to Range Stuff if I did.

[Osmosis]

I'm not a staff member but I would say the main reason why people (including myself) list so many examples of a particular note (if they are deemed signficant within the song they are found within) is for representivity. Take Noel Gallagher for instance. His 'money note' is A4 but he sings at F#4 and G4 far more frequently. If I was to include "the best examples" of notes as you put it, then I could make it look like he sings A4s more frequently, which is a falsehood. Furthermore, his low notes were rather poor early in his career and if I was to a make a more stringent quality judgement I really would not have much there even though his songs include those notes and there is nothing to make them questionable. Deciding a singer's best notes is already covered by bolding notes.

Also, although perhaps an auxillary point, omitting notes from songs even though they are hit can mislead people with regards to the range an individual song covers. This can be important if someone is wanting to sing said song in a band and are wondering if they'll need to change the key or not at a glance.

As to whether your thread would be disqualified I have no idea, I guess you would just have a lot of people posting significant notes on your thread from songs you've deliberately ommited but they think you have forgotten about or haven't listened to yet.

[CT]

What’s the deal with notewatching? Shouldn’t it be called note listening? Or is it called that because you’re watching a spectrogram?

[Osmosis]

What is the forum's stance when it comes to endorsing youtubers or other such individuals in a thread? I'm wanting to a vocal timeline for one of the singers I have claimed and there is a youtuber who has done extensive research on the subject and I would therefore like to, with their permission, cite his work in the thread to give them due credit and use it as a base on which to create the timeline. Would this be fair game?

[Baronessa]

Aug 15, 2022 19:49:19 GMT senatorsenpai said:

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this question! I'm working on some new threads but I was just wondering, do you have to include each example of a note for your thread to be ready for Range Stuff? I notice some threads can have like a few dozen examples of songs per note, and no offense intended, but it seems superfluous and not user friendly in some cases. I'd like to just include a handful of the best examples but I'm wondering if my threads would be disqualified from moving to Range Stuff if I did.

Notewatching tends to be more about observing the evolution of singers' voices and the timeline of their artistry as opposed to finding their most impressive notes these days. You're already going through their discography anyway, why not just list the rest of the notes they hit along the way? And if you haven't listed them, there's no way to know from an outsider's perspective if your work is remotely accurate.

Nov 23, 2022 16:43:08 GMT Osmosis said:

What is the forum's stance when it comes to endorsing youtubers or other such individuals in a thread? I'm wanting to a vocal timeline for one of the singers I have claimed and there is a youtuber who has done extensive research on the subject and I would therefore like to, with their permission, cite his work in the thread to give them due credit and use it as a base on which to create the timeline. Would this be fair game?

I suppose standard accountability ethics would apply. We don't exactly check stuff like this (even though we probably should), but citing any sources you're heavily borrowing from is cool and responsible behaviour. That's honestly something that we should pay more attention to, now that you mention it. We only tend to bitch about it when someone borrows our research without citing us.

[Osmosis]

About people borrowing your work without citing you... I've actually found someone who has plagiarised some of my Vocal Summary for Liam Gallagher in this 'Learn How To' post back when I had just started his WIP thread. Do you guys do anything about this or just laugh at the fact that you're deemed important to be stolen from? I see no way of contacting the author in the post.

[Baronessa]

As a forum that requires registration for communicating with its members there's a few roadblocks to crediting us appropriately. Unregistered visitors can't see users' emails and so on. We still have that official staff email address, but honestly we just don't check it nearly enough and there's a risk that anyone wanting to contact us would just assume we're unresponsive and continue with using our research anyway (although last time I checked there were no attemps to communicate with us from any third parties).

I think the best way to fight this would be to just make our presence on the internet known as widely as possible. In practice, if someone plagiarises one of our OPs, people would know about it and it would be easy to check if they did. Although, that is becoming increasingly difficult with the Google bait that most vocal range sites which use our research engage in. Really, we just need to reorient ourselves in order to have more of an existence in the marketplace of the internet. Fight fire with fire, as it were.

[restacks]

what's the rule for songs that start with numbers on a thread? for example, if i have "7 rings" and "22", do i put "7 rings" first because 7 < 22, or do i put "22" first because 2 < 7?

maybe it's a stupid question, but since i use the going-letter-by-letter rule to arrange the songs alphabetically, i wonder if it's the same for numbers too.

[BAZanine]

Jan 10, 2024 20:35:58 GMT restacks said:

what's the rule for songs that start with numbers on a thread? for example, if i have "7 rings" and "22", do i put "7 rings" first because 7 < 22, or do i put "22" first because 2 < 7?

maybe it's a stupid question, but since i use the going-letter-by-letter rule to arrange the songs alphabetically, i wonder if it's the same for numbers too.

Sorry for the belated response, but yeah, treat numbers similarly to letters. You'd put 'bb' before 'g' and just the same '22' would go before '7'.