Axl Rose (51,381 views)

[RINGO]

That note is an auditory disability

[blazejecar2]

Jan 6, 2020 4:52:35 GMT RINGO said:

That note is an auditory disability

We're talking about Axl though. Half his discography is questionable

[siphonicwheat16]

Jan 6, 2020 16:16:18 GMT blazejecar2 said:

Jan 6, 2020 4:52:35 GMT RINGO said:

That note is an auditory disability

We're talking about Axl though. Half his discography is questionable

The same can be said for his whistle register, if not more applicable  :)

[cabarios]

Jan 6, 2020 1:43:44 GMT Gatr said:

If you’re looking for objective, classy and highly professional analysis, you’re on the wrong forum.

Apparently.

[IhateMana]

hey bro if you're willing to pay us I'm down

[Setzer]

Dec 13, 2019 14:42:18 GMT Alex61 said:

Catcher in the Rye" 05/11/00 demo

I'm curious about this. The Catcher in the Rhye demo is from 27/03/00. The demo from 05/11/00 is for Chinese Democracy. Did you mix them up?

Dec 13, 2019 14:42:18 GMT Alex61 said:

"Bad Time" live Tokyo 1998

This should be 1988 surely?

Dec 13, 2019 14:42:18 GMT Alex61 said:

"Sweet Child o' Mine" live 1999

The Big Daddy version from '99 is a studio vocal; not live.

[Alex61]

I don't have the demo files on my laptop anymore because they were taking up so much space, but if you're certain the date was that one then I can amend it.

I honestly don't remember which performance I checked there but from a quick search I'm guessing it was probably the Tokyo '92 one if anything.

Also I'm really confused about this performance as a whole. I couldn't find anything on GNR recording the song in 1999, and the Big Daddy version was recorded by Sheryl Crow. The only version I could find of it allegedly recorded by GNR in 1999 was this one, which has a rather sketchy audio quality and (from the opening, anyways) sounds live.

[Setzer]

The Big Daddy version uses the Paris '92 version as a template for about the first 3 minutes, except Axl's vocals are from the '99 sessions (parts of the same vocal take were used on the Live Era album). About little bit into the solo around the 3 minute mark, the sound completely changes, and is now entirely studio recording with the band ca. 1999.

Axl's vocal on the track is entirely from the studio.

Sheryl Crowe's version was used in the film, while this re-recorded GnR version was played during the film's end credits.

[Setzer]

I just came across this from 1988, I think there are notes around A4-B4: youtu.be/UaZeaskbtS8

[belle]

(Disclaimer: I'm new to learning about singing and am a COMPLETE and UTTER noob. But excited to learn.)

Had a question! In the first 30 seconds of their 1988 VMAs performance, Axl does this really cool 'howl'. How does he do that? Would this be considered some sort of whistle?

[Captain Planet]

Dec 13, 2020 3:56:52 GMT belle said:

(Disclaimer: I'm new to learning about singing and am a COMPLETE and UTTER noob. But excited to learn.)

Had a question! In the first 30 seconds of their 1988 VMAs performance, Axl does this really cool 'howl'. How does he do that? Would this be considered some sort of whistle?

You should have seen the old forums, there were tons of people debating those kind of notes (people to this day don't even know if the studio version of that note is a C5 or C6).

But when it comes to whistling you have 3 broad variations:

1) Whiste whistling- the type of whistle most people are familiar with, where you pucker your lips and blow air to create a high pitched sound.

2) Whistle register- the stuff Maria Carey is famous for, where the sound is produced straight from the vocal cords with an open mouth.

3) False cord/overtone/inhale screaming- This is a variety of techniques where the singer compresses and closes off their throat to produce a harsh sound. Similarly to 1) whistle whistling, the high pitched sound comes from air being blown through an extremely narrow space, except this time its the space between the folds of the throat rather than the lips. Adjusting the position of the throat muscles and the amount of air being blown can lead to a huge variety in the type of sound output. But usually its harsh and rough.

To cut a long story short, Axel's howl here falls in category number 3, probably inhaled for that matter.

[belle]

Dec 13, 2020 5:38:46 GMT Captain Planet said:

Dec 13, 2020 3:56:52 GMT belle said:

(Disclaimer: I'm new to learning about singing and am a COMPLETE and UTTER noob. But excited to learn.)

Had a question! In the first 30 seconds of their 1988 VMAs performance, Axl does this really cool 'howl'. How does he do that? Would this be considered some sort of whistle?

You should have seen the old forums, there were tons of people debating those kind of notes (people to this day don't even know if the studio version of that note is a C5 or C6).

But when it comes to whistling you have 3 broad variations:

1) Whiste whistling- the type of whistle most people are familiar with, where you pucker your lips and blow air to create a high pitched sound.

2) Whistle register- the stuff Maria Carey is famous for, where the sound is produced straight from the vocal cords with an open mouth.

3) False cord/overtone/inhale screaming- This is a variety of techniques where the singer compresses and closes off their throat to produce a harsh sound. Similarly to 1) whistle whistling, the high pitched sound comes from air being blown through an extremely narrow space, except this time its the space between the folds of the throat rather than the lips. Adjusting the position of the throat muscles and the amount of air being blown can lead to a huge variety in the type of sound output. But usually its harsh and rough.

To cut a long story short, Axel's howl here falls in category number 3, probably inhaled for that matter.

Thank you for the response! :) Would category 3 be like, screamo then?

[IhateMana]

I'm sorry to tell you that you just took advice from one of the site's most notoriously unreliable users lol

[belle]

I'm also not quite understanding why Locomotive @6:34 isn't considered whistle, or somewhere on that high notes spectrum?

[belle]

Dec 13, 2020 7:18:47 GMT IhateMana said:

I'm sorry to tell you that you just took advice from one of the site's most notoriously unreliable users lol

Oh really? :/ Then what was going on then in the beginning of the VMA performance?

[Captain Planet]

Dec 13, 2020 7:18:47 GMT IhateMana said:

I'm sorry to tell you that you just took advice from one of the site's most notoriously unreliable users lol

Maybe instead of saying I suck you could make a constructive effort to say where I went wrong in this instance, and provide a better answer to their question?

[IhateMana]

nah it's all good, it was an over-reaction

i probably just thought your terminology was lolbad considering it was in response to a user looking to learn about vocals from the ground up

you do suck though, could throw hands in the carpark after this?

[mikale]

🥰

[Henny Macc]

Had no idea that Guns n' Roses started playing "Slither" by Velvet Revolver as part of their live sets in 2018! That's pretty cool that they chose to resurrect it after Velvet Revolver had been disbanded for all these years.

However, I can't say I'm terribly fond of Axl's rendition of it... I think if he had sung it in his twangy mid range approach like he does on songs like "It's So Easy" and "Sorry", that could've suited it quite well, but instead he just comes out sounding kind of unconfident and VERY pitchy. Lots of A4s on every chorus if you're interested in adding them, though they're sung in a very weak head voice and definitely aren't his most on-pitch singing overall. If he had just stuck to the C4-F4 range for that part like on the original version, it probably would've sounded a lot better.

[glo]

I feel that he never fully learned how to break out of the typecasting of "bass-baritone who wants to sing tenor". His voice seems variable and inconsistent so very often and I can often only bear to listen to him in-studio bar some of the Slash years. His chest mix, the basis of most of his singing, is unstable and often was not well preserved.  The sheer range of his voice and power of it at its best is proof of the potential he has long had though.

[elizabeth]

Dec 14, 2020 0:56:17 GMT IhateMana said:

nah it's all good, it was an over-reaction

i probably just thought your terminology was lolbad considering it was in response to a user looking to learn about vocals from the ground up

you do suck though, could throw hands in the carpark after this?

based

[elizabeth]

Dec 13, 2020 5:38:46 GMT Captain Planet said:

Dec 13, 2020 3:56:52 GMT belle said:

(Disclaimer: I'm new to learning about singing and am a COMPLETE and UTTER noob. But excited to learn.)

Had a question! In the first 30 seconds of their 1988 VMAs performance, Axl does this really cool 'howl'. How does he do that? Would this be considered some sort of whistle?

You should have seen the old forums, there were tons of people debating those kind of notes (people to this day don't even know if the studio version of that note is a C5 or C6).

But when it comes to whistling you have 3 broad variations:

1) Whiste whistling- the type of whistle most people are familiar with, where you pucker your lips and blow air to create a high pitched sound.

2) Whistle register- the stuff Maria Carey is famous for, where the sound is produced straight from the vocal cords with an open mouth.

3) False cord/overtone/inhale screaming- This is a variety of techniques where the singer compresses and closes off their throat to produce a harsh sound. Similarly to 1) whistle whistling, the high pitched sound comes from air being blown through an extremely narrow space, except this time its the space between the folds of the throat rather than the lips. Adjusting the position of the throat muscles and the amount of air being blown can lead to a huge variety in the type of sound output. But usually its harsh and rough.

To cut a long story short, Axel's howl here falls in category number 3, probably inhaled for that matter.

Your definition is almost wholely unrelated to the techniques you listed. Proper whistle register is the very back of the folds vibrating, from there it is incredibly hard to activate the false folds. Even if you could however it would not be "closing off the throat to produce a harsh sound" For overtones you could do that by being breathy, but projecting whistle is hard as is and adding even less vocal fold contact would make that a herculean feat for someone like axl rose. Axl is most likely doing it in either inhale methods (which isn't really a "whistle") or fry. Though it's quite hard to tell since there's no light on his throat and they can sound the same at a beginner level.

[BAZanine]

Yeet "Sweet Child o' Mine" man cool epic singer bro he is not sus (reference to the hit game Among Us) 😎

[Henny Macc]

How are we feeling about the C6/C♯6 at the end of "I Don't Care About You" these days? I wanna say it got discussed a long time ago and was ruled out as someone else besides Axl, but listening back I'm not entirely convinced...

[Setzer]

That is not Axl.