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Post by Osmosis on Jul 19, 2023 16:37:02 GMT
There is a low harmony part deep in the left channel of "Sorry" at the below timestamp that doesn't seem to be accoutned for in the thread. Sebastian Bach is credited for backing vocals on the track but I don't see the notes appearing in Sebastian's thread, and I think they're probably Axl's. G2s?
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Post by senatorsenpai on Jul 26, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
Also, just a heads up that both the F1 and C6 links are broken. These links are still broken, but I managed to track the backing vocals down and I think "There Was a Time" may end up even lower than F1? I uploaded the clip here: sndup.net/zd8q/It sounds to me like the first line ends on a sharp E1 and the second on D1. I also uploaded the C6 slip from "Sorry": sndup.net/srzz/ |
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Post by Goober on Jul 26, 2023 17:50:25 GMT
That was my nickname in college.
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Post by Macca on Jul 26, 2023 18:03:18 GMT
Also, just a heads up that both the F1 and C6 links are broken. These links are still broken, but I managed to track the backing vocals down and I think "There Was a Time" may end up even lower than F1? I uploaded the clip here: sndup.net/zd8q/It sounds to me like the first line ends on a sharp E1 and the second on D1. I also uploaded the C6 slip from "Sorry": sndup.net/srzz/On the second line of There Was a Time clip i'm hearing a dip to E♭1. And i'm hearing a C♯6 in Sorry but it might be a guitar |
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Post by EddieCheivz on Jul 26, 2023 18:23:45 GMT
These links are still broken, but I managed to track the backing vocals down and I think "There Was a Time" may end up even lower than F1? I uploaded the clip here: sndup.net/zd8q/It sounds to me like the first line ends on a sharp E1 and the second on D1. I also uploaded the C6 slip from "Sorry": sndup.net/srzz/On the second line of There Was a Time clip i'm hearing a dip to E♭1. And i'm hearing a C♯6 in Sorry but it might be a guitar -Nah, that's an F1 as well. -Chimmy if you try C♯ doesn't even match at all with key of the song. Note in question is C6 and is virtually inaudible on regular version but the notes can be heard on a isolated version like this. |
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Post by senatorsenpai on Jul 27, 2023 8:38:11 GMT
Anything below F1 just sounds like nanosecond fry crackles to me Interesting! To me, both examples sound like a smooth and consistent slide to whatever is the bottom note, I'm not sure where an F1 would be or how it would be distinctly less "fry crackle" than the notes around it. |
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Post by blazejecar2 on Jul 27, 2023 10:02:46 GMT
The notes do slide lower than F1 and I wouldn't have an issue with acknowledging them in the questionable spoiler, but wouldn't consider them as something to put in the main thread for sure. It's an aimless trill to somewhere not even on pitch. F1 is clearly the note he went for. Those little microdips around the note usually aren't counted as anything.
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Post by senatorsenpai on Jul 27, 2023 10:50:43 GMT
The notes do slide lower than F1 and I wouldn't have an issue with acknowledging them in the questionable spoiler, but wouldn't consider them as something to put in the main thread for sure. It's an aimless trill to somewhere not even on pitch. F1 is clearly the note he went for. Those little microdips around the note usually aren't counted as anything. I'm just struggling to hear where this distinct break into "microdips" at F1 supposedly is, could you point out where it is in the clip? It seems like an arbitrary limit to set when the register is consistent from F♯1 (the beginning of the word "time"), surely either the whole passage is worth including or none of it is? I'm also not confident that we can say with clarity which note he aimed to reach there, but in the spirit of speculation it would make more sense (musically speaking) for him to match the guitar and bass on that beat (E). |
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Post by EddieCheivz on Jul 27, 2023 14:37:50 GMT
Anything below F1 just sounds like nanosecond fry crackles to me I'm not sure where an F1 would be distinctly less "fry crackle" than the notes around it. Here |
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Post by senatorsenpai on Jul 28, 2023 9:01:12 GMT
I'm not sure where an F1 would be distinctly less "fry crackle" than the notes around it. Here Missing a hyperlink or did you mean, only on this forum?  |
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Post by EddieCheivz on Jul 29, 2023 2:52:18 GMT
Missing a hyperlink or did you mean, only on this forum?  I'm just struggling to hear where this distinct break into "microdips" at F1 supposedly is, could you point out where it is in the clip? It seems like an arbitrary limit to set when the register is consistent from F♯1 (the beginning of the word "time"), surely either the whole passage is worth including or none of it is? Interesting! To me, both examples sound like a smooth and consistent slide to whatever is the bottom note, I'm not sure where an F1 would be distinctly less "fry crackle" than the notes around it. Yeah, I'd say we're actually listening two consistent slides down but nothing going below F1 on them. There cannot be an immovable pattern ( and there's no need) for "on what point does a tone start to stop counting and start to be insignificant" affair, there's no rule for that it's pure logic with judgment. In this case from my part, I don't even hear any "microdip" or something after the bottom at F1 on those two " time", I think whatever could be heard below it is just the resonance of the note itself before get done, like its aftermath sound at the best. And I'm still not hearing any pitch no matter how brief this is below F1 either anyways. |
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Post by blazejecar2 on Aug 18, 2023 5:41:59 GMT
B2s and F♯2s in the choruses?
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Post by Osmosis on Aug 20, 2023 16:37:38 GMT
Yeah it sounds like something like Kurt Cobain would come up with if you asked him to improvise a solo. Lame track overall.
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Post by Alex61 on Sept 11, 2023 18:46:11 GMT
Apologies for my slowness! Have gotten around to updating this, the only thing I want to comment on is: I raise you this Hollywood Rose Demo called "Cold Hard Cash". E5s, F#5s and a solid A5 at the below timestamp Could I get some potential second opinions on this? I don't think this was mispitched or anything, but all of the Guns 'N' Roses demos/performances on that YouTube channel appear to be one semitone higher than the official releases (i.e - "Back Off Bitch" linked here). Just wondering whether people think this is because they've been pitched up or whether Slash hadn't adopted his signature E♭ tuning yet - I know the audio quality isn't the best, but Axl's voice sounds almost unnaturally high here to me (for example, around the 42s mark). |
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Post by blazejecar2 on Sept 12, 2023 5:37:39 GMT
I'd vote it's pitched up, it was quite common for this kind of old demo recordings to be pitched up like that. Axl's voice definitely sounds unnatural the whole way through
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Post by Osmosis on Sept 12, 2023 18:33:46 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Slash didn't start recording in Eb some time in 1986? For reference, there is this snippet of the live version of the song in 1984 that is most definitely in E standard
I ran the version in question through audacity and dropped it about a quarter tone and that put it squarely in E standard. The high note therefore is in reality, a sped up G#5. Apologies I didn't pick this up at the time.
On another note (no pun intended) here are some monster E5s in a demo version of "Welcome to the Jungle" dated to 1985. Again, this is in E standard
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Post by EddieCheivz on Sept 12, 2023 19:08:18 GMT
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Post by Osmosis on Sept 13, 2023 8:21:31 GMT
E5 here:
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