Jim Morrison (31,531 views)

[Baronessa]

If it's the note I'm thinking of, nah lol.

[EddieCheivz]

Lol having other 6th octave notes we can discuss why propose that? lol

What does people thinks about this apparently E♭6 in this live version of When The Music's Over? Remember seeing someone long time ago posting in the old forum it lacks of quality to be conuted, but i hear it consistent and there's no breaks or something along the note... Is there way to be countable?
NOTE: I heard the "When The Music's Over" note one is already in the spoiler (don't get an E6 BTW) and definitely this sounds better

[rob]

I would consider it countable personally.

[rob]

Also, I might have missed it but has there been any discussion on this apparent F#6? It sounds solid to me, hopefully I just haven't accidentally overlooked it in the spoiler or something.

youtu.be/kE32pvvaDT8

[Baronessa]

I think that was counted on his thread on the old forum, but I've tried to be wary about counting any singular exclamations by Jim unless they have some additional context like having a melodically sensible interval between two notes or repetition. In fact, I should probably go over some of his screams again to triple check what I'd count.

Admittedly, the F♯6 is pretty strong and leads straight to a vocal run, but eh. More opinions, please.

[EddieCheivz]

-HIGH DEFINITION-

[halloweenjack95]

Aug 31, 2021 16:28:54 GMT EddieCheivz said:

Lol having other 6th octave notes we can discuss why propose that? lol

What does people thinks about this apparently E♭6 in this live version of When The Music's Over? Remember seeing someone long time ago posting in the old forum it lacks of quality to be conuted, but i hear it consistent and there's no breaks or something along the note... Is there way to be countable?
NOTE: I heard the "When The Music's Over" note one is already in the spoiler (don't get an E6 BTW) and definitely this sounds better

I'm definitely not an expert in terms of Notewatching. But I know the Doors quite well (my favourite Band along with the Beatles) and it sounds countable to me. Morrison always did those high pitched screams. In 68 even on daily basis.

[IhateMana]

that Eb6 would be a spoiler for me because the run down immediately after it doesn't sound controlled particularly well. Like, it's a sound he can make but not necessarily control

[rob]

I dunno, I think the note stands on its own. He hits it quite powerfully and drops down, maybe not super elegantly, but I wouldn't say it detracts from the note itself. Plus, Jim wasn't exactly a classically trained singer, so he might not have known how to drop down very smoothly, not to mention it's a live performance.

[halloweenjack95]

I can completely see both of your points. The drop is very clear to hear but on the other hand he simply wasnt trained. So he may simply didn't knew how to drop notes. Especially not after a high pitched scream.

[EddieCheivz]

Unless Doors songs on YouTube, Spotify and other platforms run lower or something, i can notice there are many mispitched notes in this thread, mainly on the high notes section:

-For example, the "D5" from "Waiting for the Sun" is clearly an C♯5 and a B4 few seconds after:



-The "D5" from "The Soft Parade" where's supposed to be? here??? www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YWPhmduSDQ&t=5m04s cause i don't considere it particularly countable keeping in mind Morrison vocal capabilities and would be definitely an italic note, aside that highest melodic note i found on that song is a B4 , also there's a C♯5 probably i'd bother on counting, at beggining on the spoken part (YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD)

-The "D5" in "The End", if it's this very famous passage (don't know which other note on that song could be the alleged "D5") C♯5s is once again highest i can hear



-The "C5" from "Unknown Soldier" where is? is this? cause once again not sure if it's particularly countable, and once again sounds more like an italized note to me


Is the only note around that pitch on that song i got, highest sung note i hear are A4s on the bridge and on the final section (where's also has a B5 you got on the spoiler)

-The B4 from "Roadhouse Blues" once again, where is supposed to be? highest passage i hear on that song are some A4s here:

[EddieCheivz]

I've started to think this B4 from this live version of "Light My Fire" could be good option for a bold, is awesome though... opinions?

[EddieCheivz]

Feb 10, 2021 0:09:55 GMT EddieCheivz said:

Hey there!
-Good Bb2s and G2s through:

Why does this notes still being not added to the thread? :( they're nice notes for Jimbo area imo

[Baronessa]

I'm throwing out the "Hyacinth House" bold in favour of that one tbh. This thread could use some updating anyway.

[EddieCheivz]

I'm not totally convinced G2s from "I Am Troubled" would be particularly much better than the same note from "Hyacinth House" for removing the bold for this last one, but of course I accept your decision.

However, just I'm really think in any case, the G2s from "I Am Troubled" they're better the ones from the second verse than the first ones that are linked:

"The sound of glass
speaks quick, disdain
and conceals
what your eyes"

unless you did it expecting that the user who followed the link would hear not only the first notes of the timestamp, but even the rest of the video :)

[Baronessa]

There is of course the distinct possibility that neither is more impressive than the other and I leave both unbolded.

Regardless, the clip is 40 seconds, surely people have the patience to wait for both G2s.

[EddieCheivz]

Feb 26, 2024 14:50:26 GMT Baronessa said:

 and I leave both unbolded.

Noooo please :'(

[motorist]

Almost 3 years later (common late opinion theme of this forum), but I think both the Eb6 and the F#6 are countable.
They're screamy but the way he was able to bring the note down right afterwards on both puts them out of uncountable territory, in my opinion.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Eb6}

SPOILER: Click to show

{F#6}

Also if you end up putting things in questionable notes, or just as a consideration for updates, can you link some of the questionable notes in the thread?

[Baronessa]

Maybe. I remember there being a sizable debate about the quality of his screams, which is why I've included stuff that is repeated or at least somewhat melodic and left out the singular exclamations from the complete vocal range. At one point we cut him down to B♭5 and I don't think that's quite right either.

Regardless, I think his control over that register was a lot more solid than people give him credit for. He only lost it because of his substance abuse.

[EddieCheivz]

Well, I think that kind of judgment is valid depending on each case. If there's no particular reason to erase a legit note I don't see the point to look for extra reasons to exclude it. I mean, for something the note in question has already passed the "test" for its countability before, right?

I could understand cases where this logic could actually work fine for Jimbo's thread, for example when note in question is some insignificant, or a random and poor yelp or something accompanied by many other unremarkable shouts with no much control, like random yelps and no more.

But I do think when note itself talks for its own is very different. I mean the Eb6 and F#6 are very much in focus with the essence of their respective song, we could literally say on both cases all the protagonism in those parts of each song are only those screams, they are notes with a quite highlighted and clear musical purpose imo and even they're the most important elements for the part of the song on which these are found.

[Baronessa]

I'm not sure if any of Jim's screams have passed a countability test, at least not before this thread; it was always either "count all of them" or "count none of them", neither of which I really agree with.

[Electric Mami]

Here I find the E♭6 and the F♯6 similar enough to the F6 in duration and quality to be counted, personally

[amadeusd]

I agree, Mami.

[Homelander]

I also agree. They're not great, but I would begrudgingly count them.

[Baronessa]

In some ways I actually find the F♯6 better than the F6, so sure we can do that.

Doesn't that E♭6 briefly get up to E6 though?