Dimash Kudaibergen (141,906 views)

[Captain Planet]

The note vibratos between E6 and F6.

It actually squeaks up to F#6 near to the end but I would count it as an F6.

[thatteenbaritone]

Oct 5, 2021 21:08:11 GMT Captain Planet said:

The note vibratos between E6 and F6.

It actually squeaks up to F#6 near to the end but I would count it as an F6.

I saw a YT video which also seems to state this. Not sure who the person is who got an F#6 but the fact that you aren't the only one talking about an F#6 makes me want to look into it. Obviously YouTube isnt the best or an accurate source for note watching at all but still. He seems to be doing an F6 every performance almost so i wouldnt be surprised if we hear a live F# soon, he did it for that one promo video ages ago now...

[leafylemontree]

I'm hearing the F6, just after that vibrato E6. By the way, I don't know what are you listening to, but there is no F#6 (unless you're counting the vibrato).

[thatteenbaritone]

Oct 6, 2021 4:13:23 GMT leafylemontree said:

I'm hearing the F6, just after that vibrato E6. By the way, I don't know what are you listening to, but there is no F#6 (unless you're counting the vibrato).

I don't hear the F#6 either. Sounds like a E6, followed by an F6. No F# to be found here. I used a bunch of techniques to try and get that result but couldnt..

[gimmingporkshire]

Oct 6, 2021 15:04:05 GMT thatteenbaritone said:

Oct 6, 2021 4:13:23 GMT leafylemontree said:

I'm hearing the F6, just after that vibrato E6. By the way, I don't know what are you listening to, but there is no F#6 (unless you're counting the vibrato).

I don't hear the F#6 either. Sounds like a E6, followed by an F6. No F# to be found here. I used a bunch of techniques to try and get that result but couldnt..

Have you, or anyone, tried to use a spectogram? Most likely yes, but I would like to know if so.

[kaji]

It is an E6 followed by an F6 as someone else has already pointed out.

Oct 6, 2021 23:32:27 GMT gimmingporkshire said:

Oct 6, 2021 15:04:05 GMT thatteenbaritone said:

I don't hear the F#6 either. Sounds like a E6, followed by an F6. No F# to be found here. I used a bunch of techniques to try and get that result but couldnt..

Have you, or anyone, tried to use a spectogram? Most likely yes, but I would like to know if so.

I don't see the reason to do it. The F# is there but it is simply a wide shaky vibrato peak, not the note he's actually hitting intentionally. The highest proper note there is an F6. That F# as I said is simply in the vibrato hence I don't think it would even go into the spoiler. 

[gimmingporkshire]

Oct 7, 2021 3:55:37 GMT kaji said:

Oct 6, 2021 23:32:27 GMT gimmingporkshire said:

Have you, or anyone, tried to use a spectogram? Most likely yes, but I would like to know if so.

I don't see the reason to do it. The F# is there but it is simply a wide shaky vibrato peak, not the note he's actually hitting intentionally. The highest proper note there is an F6. That F# as I said is simply in the vibrato hence I don't think it would even go into the spoiler. 

Yup. Found even other sources. E6 followed by F6. The f# also won't go into spoilers because, as I said before, this thread's admin is nowhere to be seen.

[gimmingporkshire]

Just sharing this YouTube channel who has been making some great videos on Dimash, including this one: youtu.be/kZFsyuie1cU

[mehrhs9]

in many of his live performances we see his veins is popping out
is that a sign of serious tension or is not a big deal?

[clem]

Oct 23, 2021 11:45:22 GMT mehrhs9 said:

in many of his live performances we see his veins is popping out
is that a sign of serious tension or is not a big deal?

Vocal tension is usually quite audible, and his tone doesn't usually sound strained at all. If it sounds comfortable, it's probably not doing him any harm.

[kaji]

Oct 23, 2021 11:45:22 GMT mehrhs9 said:

in many of his live performances we see his veins is popping out
is that a sign of serious tension or is not a big deal?

Depends on the particular case of course but generally no. Veins popping are typically (not always though) are a result of a lot of pressure and/or simply because of the particular person's fat distribution. 

[damnitall]

Oct 23, 2021 22:12:09 GMT kaji said:

Oct 23, 2021 11:45:22 GMT mehrhs9 said:

in many of his live performances we see his veins is popping out
is that a sign of serious tension or is not a big deal?

Depends on the particular case of course but generally no. Veins popping are typically (not always though) are a result of a lot of pressure and/or simply because of the particular person's fat distribution. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEF9Hdgqb7I&t=1570s 16:20 What would you say this was?

[Aardvark]

Nov 6, 2021 1:27:42 GMT damnitall said:

Oct 23, 2021 22:12:09 GMT kaji said:

Depends on the particular case of course but generally no. Veins popping are typically (not always though) are a result of a lot of pressure and/or simply because of the particular person's fat distribution. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEF9Hdgqb7I&t=1570s 16:20 What would you say this was?

Although he does look a bit strained there, the sound doesn't seem compromised at all. It's rare for a singer to be straining without said strain being audible. In this case, he's probably just channeling a lot of the sound through his neck, creating that strainy look. Generally, singers as classically trained as Dimash don't strain often; much of classical vocal training involves specific techniques to avoid that very thing.

[kaji]

Nov 6, 2021 1:27:42 GMT damnitall said:

Oct 23, 2021 22:12:09 GMT kaji said:

Depends on the particular case of course but generally no. Veins popping are typically (not always though) are a result of a lot of pressure and/or simply because of the particular person's fat distribution. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEF9Hdgqb7I&t=1570s 16:20 What would you say this was?

Sounds quite tense but not strained. Definitely NOT a free note though. Dimash is rarely free in full voice (and/or mixed voice) past D5. 

[damnitall]

Nov 7, 2021 20:46:44 GMT kaji said:

Nov 6, 2021 1:27:42 GMT damnitall said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEF9Hdgqb7I&t=1570s 16:20 What would you say this was?

Sounds quite tense but not strained. Definitely NOT a free note though. Dimash is rarely free in full voice (and/or mixed voice) past D5. 

I agree. His tessitura, from my hearing, ends, in mixed, on a D5/Eb5. Great for a tenor. He has many free ones above that though, which is even better. He was looking really tired in that concert, maybe it explains that. Also, another question: i've seen Dimash's head shake sometimes when singing (mostly when using vibrato). Most of these notes don't sound 'shaky' or 'strained'. What could that mean?

[Aardvark]

The head shake is likely part of how he creates the vibrato.

As for his mixed tessitura, do you mean where he's most comfortable in his mix? His overall vocal tessitura would probably top out lower than D5 since he starts mixing around A4.

[kaji]

Nov 14, 2021 13:58:59 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 7, 2021 20:46:44 GMT kaji said:

Sounds quite tense but not strained. Definitely NOT a free note though. Dimash is rarely free in full voice (and/or mixed voice) past D5. 

I agree. His tessitura, from my hearing, ends, in mixed, on a D5/Eb5. Great for a tenor. He has many free ones above that though, which is even better. He was looking really tired in that concert, maybe it explains that. Also, another question: i've seen Dimash's head shake sometimes when singing (mostly when using vibrato). Most of these notes don't sound 'shaky' or 'strained'. What could that mean?

The head shake is a technical flaw. He’s doing it to aid vibrato. His vibrato is one of the things that remove freedom from some of his notes. I’ve seen him do genuinely excellent notes… before he adds vibrato. It’s forced and super manual. He is forcing each oscillation. Pretty audibly at that. He has a bit of a wobble issue.

And, well. I don’t know if Dimash’s true tessitura would be a D5. He is a tenor after all. It’s more likely around G#4-Bb4. Even though his voice sits quite high.

[mehrhs9]

I personally think his head shaking was due to a lack of control over the resonance in his head
and not for adding vibrato

[damnitall]

Nov 14, 2021 18:03:02 GMT Aardvark said:

The head shake is likely part of how he creates the vibrato.

As for his mixed tessitura, do you mean where he's most comfortable in his mix? His overall vocal tessitura would probably top out lower than D5 since he starts mixing around A4.

Yes, I meant his comfortable region. I disagree on your ttessitura comment. Check the YouTube channel 'Conteúdo Voice', where I took that clip from. They have been making some great compilations of Dimash's vocals. He has great 'freedom' and 'support' (even though Matheus' fans have made me hate this term) consistently up to D5 and inconsistently up to g#. I don't know if he starts mixing that high though. His passagio is really well controlled.

Nov 14, 2021 18:58:07 GMT kaji said:

Nov 14, 2021 13:58:59 GMT damnitall said:

I agree. His tessitura, from my hearing, ends, in mixed, on a D5/Eb5. Great for a tenor. He has many free ones above that though, which is even better. He was looking really tired in that concert, maybe it explains that. Also, another question: i've seen Dimash's head shake sometimes when singing (mostly when using vibrato). Most of these notes don't sound 'shaky' or 'strained'. What could that mean?

The head shake is a technical flaw. He’s doing it to aid vibrato. His vibrato is one of the things that remove freedom from some of his notes. I’ve seen him do genuinely excellent notes… before he adds vibrato. It’s forced and super manual. He is forcing each oscillation. Pretty audibly at that. He has a bit of a wobble issue.

And, well. I don’t know if Dimash’s true tessitura would be a D5. He is a tenor after all. It’s more likely around G#4-Bb4. Even though his voice sits quite high.

If Dimash's tessitura is not up to D5 in mixed, where would you put David Phelps then? I ask that because many seem to try to compare both of them with that stupid supported range bullshit, and they both sound great up to (even though David, from what I've heard, sometimes holds back on the vibrato) D5. They both have some of the easiest sounding C5s and D5s I've ever heard, btw.

But I tend to agree on the vibrato. Sometimes the notes sound great until I it appears. However, most often, I'd describe his vibrato as quite natural, especially, again, up to D5. He has great audible control in that region. I just asked about the head shake because some (again, supported range folks) people say it's because of tension. I just wished this whole tension lie would get sorted out. I'm thankful for people like some of you and the guy from the channel that I mentioned. Most people only hear dimash from the singer show and forget his other performances, where he developed a lot.

Nov 14, 2021 20:09:02 GMT mehrhs9 said:

I personally think his head shaking was due to a lack of control over the resonance in his head
and not for adding vibrato

There's that other theory, indeed.

[kaji]

Nov 14, 2021 23:38:34 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 14, 2021 18:58:07 GMT kaji said:

The head shake is a technical flaw. He’s doing it to aid vibrato. His vibrato is one of the things that remove freedom from some of his notes. I’ve seen him do genuinely excellent notes… before he adds vibrato. It’s forced and super manual. He is forcing each oscillation. Pretty audibly at that. He has a bit of a wobble issue.

And, well. I don’t know if Dimash’s true tessitura would be a D5. He is a tenor after all. It’s more likely around G#4-Bb4. Even though his voice sits quite high.

If Dimash's tessitura is not up to D5 in mixed, where would you put David Phelps then? I ask that because many seem to try to compare both of them with that stupid supported range bullshit, and they both sound great up to (even though David, from what I've heard, sometimes holds back on the vibrato) D5. They both have some of the easiest sounding C5s and D5s I've ever heard, btw.

But I tend to agree on the vibrato. Sometimes the notes sound great until I it appears. However, most often, I'd describe his vibrato as quite natural, especially, again, up to D5. He has great audible control in that region. I just asked about the head shake because some (again, supported range folks) people say it's because of tension. I just wished this whole tension lie would get sorted out. I'm thankful for people like some of you and the guy from the channel that I mentioned. Most people only hear dimash from the singer show and forget his other performances, where he developed a lot.

Well. True tessitura in full voice (not mix) up to D5 is something that is quite uncommon for men. And those who have a tessitura like that would typically be male sopranos or male mezzos. Alex Newell is one of those rare men ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzLuNqNXtX4 ). He even mentioned previously that his vocal doctor analysed his vocal folds and they are that of a soprano. He was also classified as a soprano by his teacher. There's another pop singer named Ada Vox who has a similar voice. He mentioned prior that he has what he called an 'infantile epiglottis' but I have not asked what he exactly meant by that. 

David Phelps' tessitura in his prime was up to the high C sorta. Which is very high for a male voice. Tessitura isn't just the range that is free but rather the consistent comfortable range for the voice. Range that the singer can do pretty much anything in with the warmth and depth of tone. Not a mixed tone. 

Well, I don't think the head shake is caused by tension. I think it's the other way around. The head shake causes the extra tension. Might be wrong obviously though. There's a lot of things that can be causing it. It might simply be a side-effect of a lot of subglottal and supraglottal pressure on the voice. 

[damnitall]

Nov 15, 2021 3:22:23 GMT kaji said:

Nov 14, 2021 23:38:34 GMT damnitall said:

If Dimash's tessitura is not up to D5 in mixed, where would you put David Phelps then? I ask that because many seem to try to compare both of them with that stupid supported range bullshit, and they both sound great up to (even though David, from what I've heard, sometimes holds back on the vibrato) D5. They both have some of the easiest sounding C5s and D5s I've ever heard, btw.

But I tend to agree on the vibrato. Sometimes the notes sound great until I it appears. However, most often, I'd describe his vibrato as quite natural, especially, again, up to D5. He has great audible control in that region. I just asked about the head shake because some (again, supported range folks) people say it's because of tension. I just wished this whole tension lie would get sorted out. I'm thankful for people like some of you and the guy from the channel that I mentioned. Most people only hear dimash from the singer show and forget his other performances, where he developed a lot.

Well. True tessitura in full voice (not mix) up to D5 is something that is quite uncommon for men. And those who have a tessitura like that would typically be male sopranos or male mezzos. Alex Newell is one of those rare men ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzLuNqNXtX4 ). He even mentioned previously that his vocal doctor analysed his vocal folds and they are that of a soprano. He was also classified as a soprano by his teacher. There's another pop singer named Ada Vox who has a similar voice. He mentioned prior that he has what he called an 'infantile epiglottis' but I have not asked what he exactly meant by that. 

David Phelps' tessitura in his prime was up to the high C sorta. Which is very high for a male voice. Tessitura isn't just the range that is free but rather the consistent comfortable range for the voice. Range that the singer can do pretty much anything in with the warmth and depth of tone. Not a mixed tone. 

Well, I don't think the head shake is caused by tension. I think it's the other way around. The head shake causes the extra tension. Might be wrong obviously though. There's a lot of things that can be causing it. It might simply be a side-effect of a lot of subglottal and supraglottal pressure on the voice. 

I've heard Alex before. Genetic freak (in a good way). There's no way to compete. But, in regards to Dimash, why wouldn't his tessitura, or, if to use another term, consistent comfortable range, in mixed be up to D5? Seriously, he sounds so comfortable using a dark, chesty sound there... Also, that pressure you mentioned. Is that something he might have learned to do or is it a bad technique? Honestly, dude's been singing like this for almost 10 years, he would've had some major problems by now if he was using the terrible technique some claim he does...

[Aardvark]

Nov 15, 2021 3:43:06 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 15, 2021 3:22:23 GMT kaji said:

Well. True tessitura in full voice (not mix) up to D5 is something that is quite uncommon for men. And those who have a tessitura like that would typically be male sopranos or male mezzos. Alex Newell is one of those rare men ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzLuNqNXtX4 ). He even mentioned previously that his vocal doctor analysed his vocal folds and they are that of a soprano. He was also classified as a soprano by his teacher. There's another pop singer named Ada Vox who has a similar voice. He mentioned prior that he has what he called an 'infantile epiglottis' but I have not asked what he exactly meant by that. 

David Phelps' tessitura in his prime was up to the high C sorta. Which is very high for a male voice. Tessitura isn't just the range that is free but rather the consistent comfortable range for the voice. Range that the singer can do pretty much anything in with the warmth and depth of tone. Not a mixed tone. 

Well, I don't think the head shake is caused by tension. I think it's the other way around. The head shake causes the extra tension. Might be wrong obviously though. There's a lot of things that can be causing it. It might simply be a side-effect of a lot of subglottal and supraglottal pressure on the voice. 

I've heard Alex before. Genetic freak (in a good way). There's no way to compete. But, in regards to Dimash, why wouldn't his tessitura, or, if to use another term, consistent comfortable range, in mixed be up to D5? Seriously, he sounds so comfortable using a dark, chesty sound there... Also, that pressure you mentioned. Is that something he might have learned to do or is it a bad technique? Honestly, dude's been singing like this for almost 10 years, he would've had some major problems by now if he was using the terrible technique some claim he does...

The average tenor tessitura is going to top out somewhere around G#4. Kaji cited an exceptional case in that of David Phelps whose tessitura caps at C5. Generally, the higher placed the male voice, the higher the tessitura. Male singers with particularly high chest voices also have higher tessitura, singers like Nate Ruess for example. He and other high placed tenors don’t have tessituras that cap anywhere near D5 and their voices are significantly higher placed than Dimash’s.

I think what we’re dealing with here is the case of an exceptionally trained vocalist whose training allows him to maintain control throughout a good majority of his register. This creates the illusion that he is comfortable much higher than he is. If I had to estimate, his tessitura likely tops around A or B4, but his technique is so good that he loses very little quality higher than that

[kaji]

Nov 15, 2021 5:37:57 GMT Aardvark said:

Nov 15, 2021 3:43:06 GMT damnitall said:

I've heard Alex before. Genetic freak (in a good way). There's no way to compete. But, in regards to Dimash, why wouldn't his tessitura, or, if to use another term, consistent comfortable range, in mixed be up to D5? Seriously, he sounds so comfortable using a dark, chesty sound there... Also, that pressure you mentioned. Is that something he might have learned to do or is it a bad technique? Honestly, dude's been singing like this for almost 10 years, he would've had some major problems by now if he was using the terrible technique some claim he does...

The average tenor tessitura is going to top out somewhere around G#4. Kaji cited an exceptional case in that of David Phelps whose tessitura caps at C5. Generally, the higher placed the male voice, the higher the tessitura. Male singers with particularly high chest voices also have higher tessitura, singers like Nate Ruess for example. He and other high placed tenors don’t have tessituras that cap anywhere near D5 and their voices are significantly higher placed than Dimash’s.

I think what we’re dealing with here is the case of an exceptionally trained vocalist whose training allows him to maintain control throughout a good majority of his register. This creates the illusion that he is comfortable much higher than he is. If I had to estimate, his tessitura likely tops around A or B4, but his technique is so good that he loses very little quality higher than that

I actually think Nate might be one of those freak voices that sit like a female voice (mezzo in particular). But I’d still call him a tenor because his tone is distinctly high tenor. I could see his tessitura being like David’s or higher if he was more trained. I would also consider the prime Adam Lambert to have a Bb/B in his tessitura. His voice has lowered since then. Pretty audibly if you ask me.

And yeah. Another important thing to mention is the way Dimash approaches those top notes too. It is a fairly thinner sound overall. If he sang for example even in the way Alex sings in the fifth octave (which is pretty much power belting throughout the whole thing) I doubt he’d have nearly as much ease as he does now.

[kaji]

Nov 15, 2021 3:43:06 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 15, 2021 3:22:23 GMT kaji said:

Well. True tessitura in full voice (not mix) up to D5 is something that is quite uncommon for men. And those who have a tessitura like that would typically be male sopranos or male mezzos. Alex Newell is one of those rare men ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzLuNqNXtX4 ). He even mentioned previously that his vocal doctor analysed his vocal folds and they are that of a soprano. He was also classified as a soprano by his teacher. There's another pop singer named Ada Vox who has a similar voice. He mentioned prior that he has what he called an 'infantile epiglottis' but I have not asked what he exactly meant by that. 

David Phelps' tessitura in his prime was up to the high C sorta. Which is very high for a male voice. Tessitura isn't just the range that is free but rather the consistent comfortable range for the voice. Range that the singer can do pretty much anything in with the warmth and depth of tone. Not a mixed tone. 

Well, I don't think the head shake is caused by tension. I think it's the other way around. The head shake causes the extra tension. Might be wrong obviously though. There's a lot of things that can be causing it. It might simply be a side-effect of a lot of subglottal and supraglottal pressure on the voice. 

I've heard Alex before. Genetic freak (in a good way). There's no way to compete. But, in regards to Dimash, why wouldn't his tessitura, or, if to use another term, consistent comfortable range, in mixed be up to D5? Seriously, he sounds so comfortable using a dark, chesty sound there... Also, that pressure you mentioned. Is that something he might have learned to do or is it a bad technique? Honestly, dude's been singing like this for almost 10 years, he would've had some major problems by now if he was using the terrible technique some claim he does...

In a pure mixed tone, yes. He’d he comfortable on D5. But tessitura isn’t really concerned with that typically.

I have not heard Dimash sing in a dark, chesty, distinctly tenor approach higher than A4. His Ogni Pietra features that kinda singing. It also shows the voice he’d have if he were to actually sing classical. That’s his tenor tone.

[damnitall]

Nov 15, 2021 10:44:19 GMT kaji said:

Nov 15, 2021 3:43:06 GMT damnitall said:

I've heard Alex before. Genetic freak (in a good way). There's no way to compete. But, in regards to Dimash, why wouldn't his tessitura, or, if to use another term, consistent comfortable range, in mixed be up to D5? Seriously, he sounds so comfortable using a dark, chesty sound there... Also, that pressure you mentioned. Is that something he might have learned to do or is it a bad technique? Honestly, dude's been singing like this for almost 10 years, he would've had some major problems by now if he was using the terrible technique some claim he does...

In a pure mixed tone, yes. He’d he comfortable on D5. But tessitura isn’t really concerned with that typically.

I have not heard Dimash sing in a dark, chesty, distinctly tenor approach higher than A4. His Ogni Pietra features that kinda singing. It also shows the voice he’d have if he were to actually sing classical. That’s his tenor tone.

You don't consider these first D5s to be a 'dark, classical sound'? youtu.be/Ad4kHtuokmw
I mean, I've never seen someone be able to darken so much up there.