Dimash Kudaibergen (141,897 views)

[Aardvark]

Nov 15, 2021 11:31:49 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 15, 2021 10:44:19 GMT kaji said:

In a pure mixed tone, yes. He’d he comfortable on D5. But tessitura isn’t really concerned with that typically.

I have not heard Dimash sing in a dark, chesty, distinctly tenor approach higher than A4. His Ogni Pietra features that kinda singing. It also shows the voice he’d have if he were to actually sing classical. That’s his tenor tone.

You don't consider these first D5s to be a 'dark, classical sound'? youtu.be/Ad4kHtuokmw
I mean, I've never seen someone be able to darken so much up there.

Those are definitely dark, darker than many D5s I’ve heard. But it’s still a very mixed approach, and when he trails off each note you can still hear that Dimash signature “shrill” sound to the note. I think Kaji is referring to more chest oriented approaches to notes like that, and Dimash is not using that type of approach.

I think it should also be said that the idea of mixed voice and tessitura are somewhat mutually exclusive. The use of mixed voice implies at least a slightly need to modify the vocal texture due to some perceived “discomfort” or “difficulty”. Tessitura is basically the range where you don’t have to do this. That’s why many tenors cap around their vocal breaks, like G#4 and A4, because that’s also when they’d begin to employ their mixed technique. The chesty approach Kaji mentioned comes from bringing that heavier sound past the break. This is why David Phelps has a tessitura that goes much higher; his C5s are huge, not in darkness but in overall sound.

[kaji]

Nov 15, 2021 11:31:49 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 15, 2021 10:44:19 GMT kaji said:

In a pure mixed tone, yes. He’d he comfortable on D5. But tessitura isn’t really concerned with that typically.

I have not heard Dimash sing in a dark, chesty, distinctly tenor approach higher than A4. His Ogni Pietra features that kinda singing. It also shows the voice he’d have if he were to actually sing classical. That’s his tenor tone.

You don't consider these first D5s to be a 'dark, classical sound'? youtu.be/Ad4kHtuokmw
I mean, I've never seen someone be able to darken so much up there.

While these D5s certainly sound like modal voice (not all of them, but plenty). It is not a particularly full or dark sound. Not to say that singing dark is a requirement for having a high tessitura though.

When one has a tessitura up to C5 (as David who is a trained leggiero tenor), and good technique they'd be able to produce vibrant and free sounds up there like this - 
youtu.be/4NSdy2N7mHA?t=172 
youtu.be/kXxlzjdsAsU?t=123
youtu.be/ElJ0fiD0lkc?t=204 
youtu.be/-7GzUvGiF48?t=217
 youtu.be/TCn4DzdeSnM?t=202 
youtu.be/zLQbevh4DY0?t=137 
youtu.be/VsqBYM5jxI0?t=23
youtu.be/DXny67pWIeo?t=236
youtu.be/Wtk8x8Oe1Ek?t=228 
And while this Eb5 is pushed, you'll notice how vibrant and full of warmth and depth it is. Quite full too 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-prsz4bC0Y&t=198s
And here a C5 in more of a full belt (just a yell) youtu.be/_oayFtynQ2s?t=272
Tessitura up to C5 is generally that of a mezzo-soprano (with good technique), which speaks greatly of Phelps' technique in his prime. 

Nov 15, 2021 13:23:12 GMT Aardvark said:

Nov 15, 2021 11:31:49 GMT damnitall said:

You don't consider these first D5s to be a 'dark, classical sound'? youtu.be/Ad4kHtuokmw
I mean, I've never seen someone be able to darken so much up there.

Those are definitely dark, darker than many D5s I’ve heard. But it’s still a very mixed approach, and when he trails off each note you can still hear that Dimash signature “shrill” sound to the note. I think Kaji is referring to more chest oriented approaches to notes like that, and Dimash is not using that type of approach.

I think it should also be said that the idea of mixed voice and tessitura are somewhat mutually exclusive. The use of mixed voice implies at least a slightly need to modify the vocal texture due to some perceived “discomfort” or “difficulty”. Tessitura is basically the range where you don’t have to do this. That’s why many tenors cap around their vocal breaks, like G#4 and A4, because that’s also when they’d begin to employ their mixed technique. The chesty approach Kaji mentioned comes from bringing that heavier sound past the break. This is why David Phelps has a tessitura that goes much higher; his C5s are huge, not in darkness but in overall sound.

Yeah. Actually taking a dark sound up there is very tricky, and you won't see many do it. Men or women. Belting after all is a coordination characterised by a raised larynx position. 

[mehrhs9]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQOUTSd1fXw&t=0s
the musical theme of his new project
there are some high notes at the end of the song

[damnitall]

Nov 18, 2021 15:28:30 GMT mehrhs9 said:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQOUTSd1fXw&t=0s
the musical theme of his new project
there are some high notes at the end of the song

I got: E5 mixed, followed by A5 (around there, at least). Sounds like a sustained F#5 seconds later, followed by C#6 head. 

[namainohana]

To be fair his live range is from F2 to F6 and his comfortable range as of now is C3 to E flat 5 in full voice probably is comfortable up to D6 in falsetto can not produce whistle he never did it live to be fair.

[mehrhs9]

Nov 24, 2021 19:52:53 GMT namainohana said:

To be fair his live range is from F2 to F6 and his comfortable range as of now is C3 to E flat 5 in full voice probably is comfortable up to D6 in falsetto can not produce whistle he never did it live to be fair.

lol
do you think his d8 was playback?
and he is tenor after all
what tessitura do you expect

[rob]

Nov 24, 2021 19:52:53 GMT namainohana said:

To be fair his live range is from F2 to F6 and his comfortable range as of now is C3 to E flat 5 in full voice probably is comfortable up to D6 in falsetto can not produce whistle he never did it live to be fair.

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

[mehrhs9]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1QpwxfrCXs
mix g#5 in Stranger Rehearsal

Nov 24, 2021 22:29:16 GMT rob said:

Nov 24, 2021 19:52:53 GMT namainohana said:

To be fair his live range is from F2 to F6 and his comfortable range as of now is C3 to E flat 5 in full voice probably is comfortable up to D6 in falsetto can not produce whistle he never did it live to be fair.

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

tugan zher and diva dance are playback 

[blazejecar2]

Nov 25, 2021 6:55:22 GMT mehrhs9 said:

Nov 24, 2021 22:29:16 GMT rob said:

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

tugan zher and diva dance are playback 

To be fair, he did whistle notes backstage before, so he CAN do it. But doing a lot of whistle register stuff myself, it's ridiculously unreliable to do live. If you have any kind of vocal fatigue at all, your 7th octave will be gone or you'll start cracking. With the difficulty of his material, using playback for those is understandable. But I'm sure he can sing in that range at least

[namainohana]

Whistles in kinalama is probably playback listen to preceding C#6 hv sounds different in rehearsal and contest version but whistle sounds exactly the same. D8 is definitely not live he hides his mouth and mistimes it(classic reflex of dimash whenever he lipsyncs an extreme part).

Thanks for stranger rehearsal link. As you can see at the very end he does not even sustain that ridiculous 20sec F#. Probably will not even hit C2 F2 G2s of the song and obviously will avoid high F6. I am telling you Dimash is going downhill. Records impressive techniques and does not perform them live.

[mehrhs9]

Nov 25, 2021 9:51:53 GMT namainohana said:

Thanks for stranger rehearsal link. As you can see at the very end he does not even sustain that ridiculous 20sec F#. Probably will not even hit C2 F2 G2s of the song and obviously will avoid high F6. I am telling you Dimash is going downhill. Records impressive techniques and does not perform them live.

ok

[namainohana]

can somebody explain to me the following question? will dimash again for the 3rd time attend a contest and perform weekly? I don't get what he is doing exactly

[damnitall]

Nov 25, 2021 9:51:53 GMT namainohana said:

Thanks for stranger rehearsal link. As you can see at the very end he does not even sustain that ridiculous 20sec F#. Probably will not even hit C2 F2 G2s of the song and obviously will avoid high F6. I am telling you Dimash is going downhill. Records impressive techniques and does not perform them live.

Why the fuck would he waste time on a rehearsal wearing himself out? Use your brain and try to answer this. And, no, he's not going downhill. Things just work differently in Russia. Lip-syncing is common there and not frowned upon. He is getting better each year, btw. He avoids the F6 because that's his head voice limit and there's no need to go close to your limits live. It's better to hit a perfect eb6 than a flat F6, for example.

Nov 25, 2021 9:40:44 GMT namainohana said:

Whistles in kinalama is probably playback listen to preceding C#6 hv sounds different in rehearsal and contest version but whistle sounds exactly the same. D8 is definitely not live he hides his mouth and mistimes it(classic reflex of dimash whenever he lipsyncs an extreme part).

The d8 is CLEARLY live. You can even see the pressure and tension in his neck due to the extreme effort needed to hit the note. He doesn't mistimes, BTW. And kinalama, well, since dimash doesn't have a great control of his whistles, it doesn't surprise me it sounds the same. Check your sources next time. Also, if the D8 was lipped, don't you think he would've used it many more times like he did with the g7 in unforgettable day 2016 and before and the e7 in tugan zher?

Nov 25, 2021 6:55:22 GMT mehrhs9 said:

Nov 24, 2021 22:29:16 GMT rob said:

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

tugan zher and diva dance are playback

Have my doubts with diva dance shenzhen, but tugan zher and diva dance China are classic playbacks...

[mehrhs9]

Nov 26, 2021 11:14:41 GMT namainohana said:

can somebody explain to me the following question? will dimash again for the 3rd time attend a contest and perform weekly? I don't get what he is doing exactly

its a reality show and not a contest ( it has even sport on it lol )

and its a group competition not individual

sorry for my english

[thatteenbaritone]

Nov 25, 2021 9:40:44 GMT namainohana said:

Whistles in kinalama is probably playback listen to preceding C#6 hv sounds different in rehearsal and contest version but whistle sounds exactly the same. D8 is definitely not live he hides his mouth and mistimes it(classic reflex of dimash whenever he lipsyncs an extreme part).

I've got to disagree with you on the D8. The G#7 is absolutely lipped, but the D8 seems live. Sometimes you can just tell by the sound if it's lipsynced, like with the G#7. The D8 however shows no signs of that. The fancams especially.

[namainohana]

Well. I can hit a perfect pitch F6 live oh well and with a nice tone actually

whistle is about luck mostly really hard to tell if it is live when somebody is covering ther' full mouth. For a fact he prefers to hit B3 in SOS instead of B2 and how he avoids notes past F#5** should be clear signs that his record version vs live(reality) are miles ahead to be fair. Still a very very top*** singer but he is not the holy god of singing as some claim.

** In mix voice F#5 is his real limit. How many times he hit notes beyond that he never hit after A5 for sure and frequency of his G5 G#5 is very few compared to his E5 and F5 like 20 to 1 ratio.
***Have to be more clear. Probably a top 10 singer of this generation.

[damnitall]

Nov 26, 2021 17:13:59 GMT namainohana said:

Well. I can hit a perfect pitch F6 live oh well and with a nice tone actually

whistle is about luck mostly really hard to tell if it is live when somebody is covering ther' full mouth. For a fact he prefers to hit B3 in SOS instead of B2 and how he avoids notes past F#5** should be clear signs that his record version vs live(reality) are miles ahead to be fair. Still a very very top*** singer but he is not the holy god of singing as some claim.

** In mix voice F#5 is his real limit. How many times he hit notes beyond that he never hit after A5 for sure and frequency of his G5 G#5 is very few compared to his E5 and F5 like 20 to 1 ratio.
***Have to be more clear. Probably a top 10 singer of this generation.

First of all, if you can hit a perfect f6, that's irrelevant, you're not Dimash. Dimash prefers to hit B3 in SOS due to the fact that the B2 is already outside his comfortable range in lows. What's the problem with that? Also, F#5 in mix is not his real limit. It's C6. He has many live G5s and G#s. You just don't know him enough. Check the youtube channel Conteúdo Voice and you will find many examples of his mixed belts live above an f#. Finally, if it's lipped, what's the problem? It's not like he is going full Nicola Sedda and recording everything through a heavy editing software or full Vitas and inventing notes. Some recordings are pretty raw and have barely any editing. He lip-syncs due to the fact that he has no control whether he will sing live or not outside his concerts and, in them, he does it to preserve his voice and avoid getting too tired. 

[thatteenbaritone]

Nov 26, 2021 17:13:59 GMT namainohana said:

Well. I can hit a perfect pitch F6 live oh well and with a nice tone actually

whistle is about luck mostly really hard to tell if it is live when somebody is covering ther' full mouth. For a fact he prefers to hit B3 in SOS instead of B2 and how he avoids notes past F#5** should be clear signs that his record version vs live(reality) are miles ahead to be fair. Still a very very top*** singer but he is not the holy god of singing as some claim.

** In mix voice F#5 is his real limit. How many times he hit notes beyond that he never hit after A5 for sure and frequency of his G5 G#5 is very few compared to his E5 and F5 like 20 to 1 ratio.
***Have to be more clear. Probably a top 10 singer of this generation.

I mostly agree with what you said (apart from the B2 being his limit, or at least that's what I inferred from that anyway). But please stop tooting your horn about your own vocal range. It just seems a bit pathetic and trivial and just unnecessary to me.

Nov 26, 2021 18:49:20 GMT damnitall said:

Nov 26, 2021 17:13:59 GMT namainohana said:

Well. I can hit a perfect pitch F6 live oh well and with a nice tone actually

whistle is about luck mostly really hard to tell if it is live when somebody is covering ther' full mouth. For a fact he prefers to hit B3 in SOS instead of B2 and how he avoids notes past F#5** should be clear signs that his record version vs live(reality) are miles ahead to be fair. Still a very very top*** singer but he is not the holy god of singing as some claim.

** In mix voice F#5 is his real limit. How many times he hit notes beyond that he never hit after A5 for sure and frequency of his G5 G#5 is very few compared to his E5 and F5 like 20 to 1 ratio.
***Have to be more clear. Probably a top 10 singer of this generation.

First of all, if you can hit a perfect f6, that's irrelevant, you're not Dimash. Dimash prefers to hit B3 in SOS due to the fact that the B2 is already outside his comfortable range in lows. What's the problem with that? Also, F#5 in mix is not his real limit. It's C6. He has many live G5s and G#s. You just don't know him enough. Check the youtube channel Conteúdo Voice and you will find many examples of his mixed belts live above an f#. Finally, if it's lipped, what's the problem? It's not like he is going full Nicola Sedda and recording everything through a heavy editing software or full Vitas and inventing notes. Some recordings are pretty raw and have barely any editing. He lip-syncs due to the fact that he has no control whether he will sing live or not outside his concerts and, in them, he does it to preserve his voice and avoid getting too tired.

its like you entered my mind and took my thoughts on the matter almost word for word. As you said, unless he turns into Vitas and uses pitch shifting and autotune for most of his high notes, or Nicola Sedda (who tbf at least has the audacity not to pitch shift his higher notes) I will still respect him as a singer. Also about relatively unedited Dimash songs, is Ocean Over The Time considered one of them? Because that has a really good G#5 for Dimash imo

[namainohana]

B2 is not his limit but he mostly does not want to go there it is challenging perhaps. I know and listen to dimash a lot so I think I have a fine hypothesis on his recording range, extreme live range(where he can succeed if he performs a single song) and his main regular range.

I would classify them as
C2-C6-F#6-D8 (everyone knows this)
F2-A5-F6 (extreme live range)
E3-F#5-D6(mostly this is where he sits)

And my criticism was first about whistles and secondly about his low range. To be fair someone who shies away from B2s can not hit C2 live(even E2), there is no way Dimash will perform stranger with that C2 and I also do not believe that he will try to hit that high F6 even though he sang that note live a couple of times also 20 sec F# will never happen he did not even hit that note in mademoiselle hyde always hits B4 instead.(again great singer there is no doubt but when it comes to ridiculous things he does in stranger in order to do those things LIVE the song's range should be around F2-E5(? might be D#5)-D#6)

plus: I want to see him perform your love live. It would be nice to see him belt and sustain those D#5-F#5 + G5 notes that song is crazy hard to sing. I sing both adagio(dimash version) and your love(1 semitone lower). Your love is at least 2 times harder than adagio lol(don't even sing it in original tone to be fair). (if interested my range is B1-G5-G#6-B7)

[mehrhs9]

Nov 26, 2021 20:49:35 GMT namainohana said:

B2 is not his limit but he mostly does not want to go there it is challenging perhaps. I know and listen to dimash a lot so I think I have a fine hypothesis on his recording range, extreme live range(where he can succeed if he performs a single song) and his main regular range.

I would classify them as
C2-C6-F#6-D8 (everyone knows this)
F2-A5-F6 (extreme live range)
E3-F#5-D6(mostly this is where he sits)

And my criticism was first about whistles and secondly about his low range. To be fair someone who shies away from B2s can not hit C2 live(even E2), there is no way Dimash will perform stranger with that C2 and I also do not believe that he will try to hit that high F6 even though he sang that note live a couple of times also 20 sec F# will never happen he did not even hit that note in mademoiselle hyde always hits B4 instead.(again great singer there is no doubt but when it comes to ridiculous things he does in stranger in order to do those things LIVE the song's range should be around F2-E5(? might be D#5)-D#6)

plus: I want to see him perform your love live. It would be nice to see him belt and sustain those D#5-F#5 + G5 notes that song is crazy hard to sing. I sing both adagio(dimash version) and your love(1 semitone lower). Your love is at least 2 times harder than adagio lol(don't even sing it in original tone to be fair). (if interested my range is B1-G5-G#6-B7)

he doesn't always skip b2 is sos 
there are many performance of him hitting that note
the fact that he skip low notes in his concerts is because of the placement of his voice
when you constantly singing high notes its gets difficult to reach the bottom of your voice 
i don't think b2 would be that much low note for him in a non-concert scenario
and he has sustain f#5 for 15 second before live

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALyqa5b_ZJI

[damnitall]

Nov 26, 2021 20:49:35 GMT namainohana said:

B2 is not his limit but he mostly does not want to go there it is challenging perhaps. I know and listen to dimash a lot so I think I have a fine hypothesis on his recording range, extreme live range(where he can succeed if he performs a single song) and his main regular range.

I would classify them as
C2-C6-F#6-D8 (everyone knows this)
F2-A5-F6 (extreme live range)
E3-F#5-D6(mostly this is where he sits)

And my criticism was first about whistles and secondly about his low range. To be fair someone who shies away from B2s can not hit C2 live(even E2), there is no way Dimash will perform stranger with that C2 and I also do not believe that he will try to hit that high F6 even though he sang that note live a couple of times also 20 sec F# will never happen he did not even hit that note in mademoiselle hyde always hits B4 instead.(again great singer there is no doubt but when it comes to ridiculous things he does in stranger in order to do those things LIVE the song's range should be around F2-E5(? might be D#5)-D#6)

plus: I want to see him perform your love live. It would be nice to see him belt and sustain those D#5-F#5 + G5 notes that song is crazy hard to sing. I sing both adagio(dimash version) and your love(1 semitone lower). Your love is at least 2 times harder than adagio lol(don't even sing it in original tone to be fair). (if interested my range is B1-G5-G#6-B7)

Let's end this:
1. Yes, it's challenging for him to hit a B2. He is a high tenor after all.
2. I also don't think he will perform stranger live any time soon. Does that matter? No. It's him singing it. Period.
3. He won't try to hit a F6. He might try an e6. Is a semitone lower too much of a downgrade for you?
4. He doesn't hit the f# in mademoiselle Hyde due to the 'shouted nature' of the note. He hits chesty c#s though.
5. He has sustained f#5 for 16 sec live. Is 4 seconds shorter too much of a downgrade for you?
6. I would also want him to perform your love live. Let's see if he ever does.
7. His extreme live range: f2-b5-f6-d8.
8. His comfortable range (imo): d3-d5-d6.
9. You answered yourself. Your love is crazy hard to sing live on a concert.
10. No, we don't care about your range.
Edit: by the way, I don't want to be offensive. If I sounded harsh, I apologize. It's just that it has been stated that this thread is about dimash, not people's ranges.

Nov 26, 2021 19:54:45 GMT thatteenbaritone said:

Nov 26, 2021 18:49:20 GMT damnitall said:

First of all, if you can hit a perfect f6, that's irrelevant, you're not Dimash. Dimash prefers to hit B3 in SOS due to the fact that the B2 is already outside his comfortable range in lows. What's the problem with that? Also, F#5 in mix is not his real limit. It's C6. He has many live G5s and G#s. You just don't know him enough. Check the youtube channel Conteúdo Voice and you will find many examples of his mixed belts live above an f#. Finally, if it's lipped, what's the problem? It's not like he is going full Nicola Sedda and recording everything through a heavy editing software or full Vitas and inventing notes. Some recordings are pretty raw and have barely any editing. He lip-syncs due to the fact that he has no control whether he will sing live or not outside his concerts and, in them, he does it to preserve his voice and avoid getting too tired.

its like you entered my mind and took my thoughts on the matter almost word for word. As you said, unless he turns into Vitas and uses pitch shifting and autotune for most of his high notes, or Nicola Sedda (who tbf at least has the audacity not to pitch shift his higher notes) I will still respect him as a singer. Also about relatively unedited Dimash songs, is Ocean Over The Time considered one of them? Because that has a really good G#5 for Dimash imo

Yeah. Ocean over time has his best g#5 ever imo. Crazy good. Doesn't sound that edited to me as well

youtu.be/6sqiwABq0y8 (7:32). Here is a perfect example of a great g5 mix belt live.

[valsalva]

The A5 in Hello is actually live and not pitch corrected as there are fan cams of the performance, such as the Jesse j reaction. Not sure why F#5 is seen to be his top when it is clear he is comfortable higher. Do you critique all the other singers here as much as you do Dimash? Because some of them are just screaming notes to get into sixth octave when Dimash is actually singing them.
His use of range, even in the diminished version you suggest, is phenomenal regardless.

[namainohana]

I think I made my point very clear(Let's end this right here!) he is not 4 octave full voice guy but more like 2 octave one. youtu.be/6sqiwABq0y8?t=507 just look at this the other Chinese guy hits F5 in head voice much powerful than dimash's mix, the G5 is not even audible. He is good up until D5 definitely the C6 mix(is still in his range but not usual range, same for every note above F#) is misleading.

I am trying to become famious with my vocals. My usable range is D2-F5 in full voice(wider than dimash) and up to F#6 in head voice. If interested open to feedbacks.

[malifalitic0]

Nov 24, 2021 22:29:16 GMT rob said:

Nov 24, 2021 19:52:53 GMT namainohana said:

To be fair his live range is from F2 to F6 and his comfortable range as of now is C3 to E flat 5 in full voice probably is comfortable up to D6 in falsetto can not produce whistle he never did it live to be fair.

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

most of them are certainly recorded but I believe that D8 is live.Because the mastered version is fixed in terms of vibrato,the fancam ones are "flawed",if you will.and there are times he tried whistle and couldn't other than gakku(he tries and can't produce right before the D8) and I am Singer's unforgettable day is another example.he couldn't produce whistle there either.

[damnitall]

Nov 27, 2021 7:50:05 GMT namainohana said:

I think I made my point very clear(Let's end this right here!) he is not 4 octave full voice guy but more like 2 octave one. youtu.be/6sqiwABq0y8?t=507 just look at this the other Chinese guy hits F5 in head voice much powerful than dimash's mix, the G5 is not even audible. He is good up until D5 definitely the C6 mix(is still in his range but not usual range, same for every note above F#) is misleading.

So you're taking one example of a not-so-great performance and calling it a day? Like, he wasn't great in that one, therefore he won't be great anywhere else? Weak man, very weak.

Nov 27, 2021 10:41:46 GMT malifalitic0 said:

Nov 24, 2021 22:29:16 GMT rob said:

Aren't most if not all of his whistle notes done live?

most of them are certainly recorded but I believe that D8 is live.Because the mastered version is fixed in terms of vibrato,the fancam ones are "flawed",if you will.and there are times he tried whistle and couldn't other than gakku(he tries and can't produce right before the D8) and I am Singer's unforgettable day is another example.he couldn't produce whistle there either.

Yeah. They corrected the sound a tad. The fancam is horrible regardless, but you can notice that.