Tomi P (7,622 views)

[Macca]

Jul 19, 2023 19:32:56 GMT SailorBlue said:

You bold the FUCK out of this note, or else by GOD I will tear your soul from your body 

That right there is an Earthquake♭1

[bassmanmatteo]

It sounds like he hits a chest B4 here at 2:18
youtu.be/q-bAtk44Pno?si=7Nzds17jhdyZJYCt

[blazejecar2]

pretty sure F0 is still inhaled, even all the vocal range videos for him list it as such

[Goober]

I think it's safe to say that everything in the 0th octave is. At least everything i've heard is.

[Steingrim]

Sept 2, 2023 8:06:10 GMT bassmanmatteo said:

It sounds like he hits a chest B4 here at 2:18
youtu.be/q-bAtk44Pno?si=7Nzds17jhdyZJYCt

That's M2, probably mixed voice. Some male singers can take mixed voice more than half an octave higher than they can sing usefully in chest voice. A bass or baritone with a naturally high falsetto range should have a lot of leverage for that.

[bassmanmatteo]

Sept 3, 2023 7:50:35 GMT Steingrim said:

Sept 2, 2023 8:06:10 GMT bassmanmatteo said:

It sounds like he hits a chest B4 here at 2:18
youtu.be/q-bAtk44Pno?si=7Nzds17jhdyZJYCt

That's M2, probably mixed voice. Some male singers can take mixed voice more than half an octave higher than they can sing usefully in chest voice. A bass or baritone with a naturally high falsetto range should have a lot of leverage for that.

Thanks! It sounds so chesty though, that’s interesting.

[Steingrim]

Sept 4, 2023 23:40:57 GMT bassmanmatteo said:

Sept 3, 2023 7:50:35 GMT Steingrim said:

That's M2, probably mixed voice. Some male singers can take mixed voice more than half an octave higher than they can sing usefully in chest voice. A bass or baritone with a naturally high falsetto range should have a lot of leverage for that.

Thanks! It sounds so chesty though, that’s interesting.

It's harder to differentiate between mixed voice and chest voice with female singers. The difference in timbre is smaller. Some can sing from C5-C6 and you have no idea where the register transition actually happened, the whole octave is smooth.

[bassmanmatteo]

Sept 5, 2023 7:49:54 GMT Steingrim said:

Sept 4, 2023 23:40:57 GMT bassmanmatteo said:

Thanks! It sounds so chesty though, that’s interesting.

It's harder to differentiate between mixed voice and chest voice with female singers. The difference in timbre is smaller. Some can sing from C5-C6 and you have no idea where the register transition actually happened, the whole octave is smooth.

But Tomi isn’t a female singer?
Edit: Ignore me, I read the message wrong

[kuyashii]

I remember this dude. He was banned from TRP for making a thread for himself and being an overall nuisance lol.

His singing definitely improved but it's so massively touched up it sounds often unnatural (like most modern a capella music). His rendition of "Hellfire" is really good from an arrangement perspective (despite the somewhat annoying rangewanking)

[bassmanmatteo]

youtu.be/X-aF7hZShDk?si=zksIBCv0GftLhFZX
In the comments, Tomi says he hits a G#6 at the end.

[kaji]

All this range and for what.

[wbradycall]

The interesting thing is that, even though if I had to guess he's probably a high bass, he does have many baritone-like properties to his voice. I guess he sings rather woofy because of him trying to hard to sound "deep." For this reason, it's hard to make an opinion on where exactly he lies. He also struggles a lot with the highs so his passaggio can be hard to find.

Anyways, what's more important than voice type is technique. His techniques pretty good in most aspects. As I said when talking about his fach in the last paragraph, he does sing rather throaty at times. Even when he does sing woofy and with his vowels sounding distorted, at least he has some slight "cut" in his voice (aka "squillo," though it's debatable whether that term should be use in contemporary music). He knows a lot about vocal technique and singing. His informative videos about how to sing bass have deeply impressed me.

[bringerofchaos]

Nov 2, 2023 23:53:22 GMT wbradycall said:

The interesting thing is that, even though if I had to guess he's probably a high bass, he does have many baritone-like properties to his voice. I guess he sings rather woofy because of him trying to hard to sound "deep." For this reason, it's hard to make an opinion on where exactly he lies. He also struggles a lot with the highs so his passaggio can be hard to find.

Anyways, what's more important than voice type is technique. His techniques pretty good in most aspects. As I said when talking about his fach in the last paragraph, he does sing rather throaty at times. Even when he does sing woofy and with his vowels sounding distorted, at least he has some slight "cut" in his voice (aka "squillo," though it's debatable whether that term should be use in contemporary music). He knows a lot about vocal technique and singing. His informative videos about how to sing bass have deeply impressed me.

Not to mention his arrangements are incredible and creative!

[kaji]

Nov 2, 2023 23:53:22 GMT wbradycall said:

The interesting thing is that, even though if I had to guess he's probably a high bass, he does have many baritone-like properties to his voice. I guess he sings rather woofy because of him trying to hard to sound "deep." For this reason, it's hard to make an opinion on where exactly he lies. He also struggles a lot with the highs so his passaggio can be hard to find.

Anyways, what's more important than voice type is technique. His techniques pretty good in most aspects. As I said when talking about his fach in the last paragraph, he does sing rather throaty at times. Even when he does sing woofy and with his vowels sounding distorted, at least he has some slight "cut" in his voice (aka "squillo," though it's debatable whether that term should be use in contemporary music). He knows a lot about vocal technique and singing. His informative videos about how to sing bass have deeply impressed me.

No squillo. The term doesn't apply here at all. His voice wouldn't be heard past the first row live. Squillo isn't how cutting the voice is. Nor is it exactly quantifiable. 

[wbradycall]

Nov 20, 2023 15:52:00 GMT kaji said:

Nov 2, 2023 23:53:22 GMT wbradycall said:

The interesting thing is that, even though if I had to guess he's probably a high bass, he does have many baritone-like properties to his voice. I guess he sings rather woofy because of him trying to hard to sound "deep." For this reason, it's hard to make an opinion on where exactly he lies. He also struggles a lot with the highs so his passaggio can be hard to find.

Anyways, what's more important than voice type is technique. His techniques pretty good in most aspects. As I said when talking about his fach in the last paragraph, he does sing rather throaty at times. Even when he does sing woofy and with his vowels sounding distorted, at least he has some slight "cut" in his voice (aka "squillo," though it's debatable whether that term should be use in contemporary music). He knows a lot about vocal technique and singing. His informative videos about how to sing bass have deeply impressed me.

No squillo. The term doesn't apply here at all. His voice wouldn't be heard past the first row live. Squillo isn't how cutting the voice is. Nor is it exactly quantifiable. 

What is squillo anyways? Should the proper term be twang?

[Steingrim]

Nov 28, 2023 22:36:48 GMT wbradycall said:

Nov 20, 2023 15:52:00 GMT kaji said:

No squillo. The term doesn't apply here at all. His voice wouldn't be heard past the first row live. Squillo isn't how cutting the voice is. Nor is it exactly quantifiable. 

What is squillo anyways? Should the proper term be twang?

Squillo may be an operatic term since it's Italian, but it isn't necessarily an operatic technique. Twang or overtones in one's voice is one thing, squillo is when it's powerful enough to carry the note over orchestration. Or to create a pleasing, pinging sound in contemporary music. I have a natural propensity for that at G4, there's less at C5 and almost nothing at D2. Less overtones going down octave 2 is probably normal for a baritone, I don't think you'll find much of that in Tomi P's octave 2 notes. Basso Profundos are said to have a lot of them.

[rootyrootz]

Oct 20, 2023 23:04:13 GMT kaji said:

All this range and for what.

This amount of range is just snobbish imo

[Goober]

range deduction time

[wbradycall]

Nov 29, 2023 8:29:51 GMT Steingrim said:

Nov 28, 2023 22:36:48 GMT wbradycall said:

What is squillo anyways? Should the proper term be twang?

Squillo may be an operatic term since it's Italian, but it isn't necessarily an operatic technique. Twang or overtones in one's voice is one thing, squillo is when it's powerful enough to carry the note over orchestration. Or to create a pleasing, pinging sound in contemporary music. I have a natural propensity for that at G4, there's less at C5 and almost nothing at D2. Less overtones going down octave 2 is probably normal for a baritone, I don't think you'll find much of that in Tomi P's octave 2 notes. Basso Profundos are said to have a lot of them.

Yeah he does seem like a gray area between a bass and baritone because his high notes aren't developed and in some videos he sounds comfortable with low notes but in other videos he sounds like he's forcing it. The reason doesn't have well developed high notes is due to bad technique when singing high, meaning that his passaggio is extremely difficult to determine (even if he had good technique with high notes, I am not the best at finding passaggios of singers and so I don't take my own personal skills as gospel ftm). Either way, I guess it's not that big of a deal for me, personally, what his voice type is because he's literally a contemporary singer. He can choose to sing bass, baritone, or tenor whenever he'd like and probably do just fine. If he was a classical singer, in which he's not at all, then he would need a voice classification. That's why some people make an argument that is rather valid I think that we shouldn't be classifying contemporary singers at all.

[Steingrim]

Dec 1, 2023 18:33:04 GMT wbradycall said:

Nov 29, 2023 8:29:51 GMT Steingrim said:

Squillo may be an operatic term since it's Italian, but it isn't necessarily an operatic technique. Twang or overtones in one's voice is one thing, squillo is when it's powerful enough to carry the note over orchestration. Or to create a pleasing, pinging sound in contemporary music. I have a natural propensity for that at G4, there's less at C5 and almost nothing at D2. Less overtones going down octave 2 is probably normal for a baritone, I don't think you'll find much of that in Tomi P's octave 2 notes. Basso Profundos are said to have a lot of them.

Yeah he does seem like a gray area between a bass and baritone because his high notes aren't developed and in some videos he sounds comfortable with low notes but in other videos he sounds like he's forcing it. The reason doesn't have well developed high notes is due to bad technique when singing high, meaning that his passaggio is extremely difficult to determine (even if he had good technique with high notes, I am not the best at finding passaggios of singers and so I don't take my own personal skills as gospel ftm). Either way, I guess it's not that big of a deal for me, personally, what his voice type is because he's literally a contemporary singer. He can choose to sing bass, baritone, or tenor whenever he'd like and probably do just fine. If he was a classical singer, in which he's not at all, then he would need a voice classification. That's why some people make an argument that is rather valid I think that we shouldn't be classifying contemporary singers at all.

I'd take a wild guess at low baritone. He can manage a C2 in chest voice but doesn't seem to have power in the lower second octave. Not that much useful going on in chest voice above E4 or so. Any male singer can learn to fry a C2 and mix voice a C5 and then sing "anything". The main difference between classical and contemporary is probably seen with female singers. Classical singers tend to bring head voice really low, whereas contemporary singers often belt up to an octave higher.

[wbradycall]

Dec 1, 2023 19:24:35 GMT Steingrim said:

Dec 1, 2023 18:33:04 GMT wbradycall said:

Yeah he does seem like a gray area between a bass and baritone because his high notes aren't developed and in some videos he sounds comfortable with low notes but in other videos he sounds like he's forcing it. The reason doesn't have well developed high notes is due to bad technique when singing high, meaning that his passaggio is extremely difficult to determine (even if he had good technique with high notes, I am not the best at finding passaggios of singers and so I don't take my own personal skills as gospel ftm). Either way, I guess it's not that big of a deal for me, personally, what his voice type is because he's literally a contemporary singer. He can choose to sing bass, baritone, or tenor whenever he'd like and probably do just fine. If he was a classical singer, in which he's not at all, then he would need a voice classification. That's why some people make an argument that is rather valid I think that we shouldn't be classifying contemporary singers at all.

I'd take a wild guess at low baritone. He can manage a C2 in chest voice but doesn't seem to have power in the lower second octave. Not that much useful going on in chest voice above E4 or so. Any male singer can learn to fry a C2 and mix voice a C5 and then sing "anything". The main difference between classical and contemporary is probably seen with female singers. Classical singers tend to bring head voice really low, whereas contemporary singers often belt up to an octave higher.

Okay fair point.

[wbradycall]

Dec 1, 2023 19:24:35 GMT Steingrim said:

Dec 1, 2023 18:33:04 GMT wbradycall said:

Yeah he does seem like a gray area between a bass and baritone because his high notes aren't developed and in some videos he sounds comfortable with low notes but in other videos he sounds like he's forcing it. The reason doesn't have well developed high notes is due to bad technique when singing high, meaning that his passaggio is extremely difficult to determine (even if he had good technique with high notes, I am not the best at finding passaggios of singers and so I don't take my own personal skills as gospel ftm). Either way, I guess it's not that big of a deal for me, personally, what his voice type is because he's literally a contemporary singer. He can choose to sing bass, baritone, or tenor whenever he'd like and probably do just fine. If he was a classical singer, in which he's not at all, then he would need a voice classification. That's why some people make an argument that is rather valid I think that we shouldn't be classifying contemporary singers at all.

I'd take a wild guess at low baritone. He can manage a C2 in chest voice but doesn't seem to have power in the lower second octave. Not that much useful going on in chest voice above E4 or so. Any male singer can learn to fry a C2 and mix voice a C5 and then sing "anything". The main difference between classical and contemporary is probably seen with female singers. Classical singers tend to bring head voice really low, whereas contemporary singers often belt up to an octave higher.

Now that I have taken a second look at his voice, I most likely agree. There's a slight chance he might be a bass, but I'm skeptical and think of him more as a mid-to-low baritone. He doesn't have as resonant of low notes that I'd expect from a true bass. His high notes aren't developed well, so whether he wanted to sing in the range of an operatic bass or an operatic baritone he would, unforutnately, struggle. But either way, I don't really care too much about his voice type, and neither does he really care about his own voice type. He really just wants to sing whatever he wants and not really care where his voice sits naturally.

[Steingrim]

Jun 6, 2024 20:10:55 GMT wbradycall said:

Avi Kaplan and other basses sing a capella, down to a resonant C#2. I suppose it's difficult to judge individual volume from a 14 man choir, but I think most of them have a fair bit more power and resonance than most baritones would when attempting that note.

[wbradycall]

Jun 6, 2024 20:53:58 GMT Steingrim said:

Jun 6, 2024 20:10:55 GMT wbradycall said:

Avi Kaplan and other basses sing a capella, down to a resonant C#2. I suppose it's difficult to judge individual volume from a 14 man choir, but I think most of them have a fair bit more power and resonance than most baritones would when attempting that note.

Even though a basso cantante can have a resonant C#2, I wouldn't call it necessary at all. It's a combination of things that make you a bass, not just simply singing and projecting notes. Across an orchestra at least, a bass must project an E2 or F2 in my opinion, and even then the orchestra is often quieting down as any male voice type gets lower in pitch. And there is a decent number of basso cantantes who can somewhat project the low C, it just isn't projected across an orchestra in most cases. Lots of basses I've heard of have a good contemporary C2 and C#2 that could also be heard in a medium-sized room, and Kaplan is probably one of those people. Also, check out the voice of Thou Yang for reference, whom has good tonal quality when singing C2 but he admits himself that projection-wise it's not much especially because he's a basso cantante. I agree with you that I would usually expect indeed a bass to have a good-quality C2 even if not projected.

[wbradycall]

Jun 6, 2024 20:53:58 GMT Steingrim said:

Jun 6, 2024 20:10:55 GMT wbradycall said:

Avi Kaplan and other basses sing a capella, down to a resonant C#2. I suppose it's difficult to judge individual volume from a 14 man choir, but I think most of them have a fair bit more power and resonance than most baritones would when attempting that note.

Yeah those C#2's are quite good. But it's far from a surprise because I already knew Kaplan had good lower 2nd octave notes.