Billie Eilish (68,228 views)

[amadeusd]

May 28, 2024 0:08:48 GMT monthlypayment said:

Nov 3, 2022 12:35:12 GMT josephrose said:

I don't mean to argue about voice type or whatever. She sounds more like a soubrette to me. But I respect your opinion. She's some type of soprano at the very least. Definitely not a mezzo or an "alto". Her timbre is much too light for that.

Accidentally replied twice lol

With respect, not at all a 'regular' soprano unless you're defining it as to capture her. Her timbre isnt very light at all. 

[Electric Mami]

I feel like we're running in circles with this voice type discussion that has started back on the thread's first page

[Baronessa]

Not used to singing high notes, especially the usual soprano ones, at all — the vocal cords adapt to low singing as well as high singing over time. If that "Birds of a Feather" D5 is any indication, she's dragging as much chest as she possibly can on high notes. Her lack of well-projected lows, plus the fact that she has not gone very low in the first place apparently, would betray her placement more than anything else.

Even if as a lower-placed singer she was singing in a breathy manner, she would find it much more comfortable to sing lower than like G3, and we would pick up on that ease pretty readily.

I'll refrain from making any real comment on the term 'soubrette', instead I'm just glad DivaDevotee is not dead quite yet.

[monthlypayment]

May 28, 2024 1:26:08 GMT amadeusd said:

May 28, 2024 0:08:48 GMT monthlypayment said:

Accidentally replied twice lol

With respect, not at all a 'regular' soprano unless you're defining it as to capture her. Her timbre isnt very light at all. 

She's quite literally one of the most obvious sopranos in pop rn. I wouldn't be as shocked if you said Dua Lipa or anyone with a slightly heavier voice, but billie? Also, lightness refers to the thickness and proximity of the vocal folds, not so much timbre (at least when discussing voice types). By that logic, someone who sounds like, idk, Vivian Reed is a baritone because she doesnt have "a light timbre" lol

[amadeusd]

Jun 7, 2024 0:54:55 GMT monthlypayment said:

May 28, 2024 1:26:08 GMT amadeusd said:

With respect, not at all a 'regular' soprano unless you're defining it as to capture her. Her timbre isnt very light at all. 

She's quite literally one of the most obvious sopranos in pop rn. I wouldn't be as shocked if you said Dua Lipa or anyone with a slightly heavier voice, but billie? Also, lightness refers to the thickness and proximity of the vocal folds, not so much timbre (at least when discussing voice types). By that logic, someone who sounds like, idk, Vivian Reed is a baritone because she doesnt have "a light timbre" lol

I nearly responded to what I think is just plain wrong, and instead point out that "By that logic..." is apparently a made up logic of yours. I do not cop to it. Your statements make no sense, and I intimated nothing of the sort. 

my position remains, and is still as noted. She has a heavier, darker voice than the majority of pop singers. And to a large degree, that isn't that relevant - it is hte lack of any notable soprano tell-tales that has lead me to this given I (notedly) am not an expert on her. Her voice is darker than Dua Lipa's that's for sure. 

[Electric Mami]

You can have a relatively dark tone with nicely controlled lows but a light voice in terms of weight and therefore still be a soprano (that is, not having percingly heavy lows in the mix), even if your highs aren't the most comfy sounding.

Take Shizuku from Polkadot Stingray (“Love Call”, see the verses), a soprano. I believe she is a good example of not having the comfiest highs and good but light and rather breathy lows (notice how she gets quieter and slightly squashed when reaching E3 despite the quality of her lows).

Now in comparison, take MAMI from SCANDAL (“Mabataki”), a mezzo. She's the yellow-haired lead guitarist singing the low harmony under the bassist and the lead vocalist/rhythm guitarist who are singing the same notes, so her lows are pretty heavy and piercing in the mix here.

If you find Billie still leaning towards the mezzo side despite this comparison which I hope will help, that's fine by me too, let's agree to disagree lol. Also, I believe the new album would be a bigger priority to discuss about in the thread. If anyone wants to notewatch it and share their research, it'd be great!

[Baronessa]

Dua did nothing wrong leave her out of this.

[monthlypayment]

Jun 7, 2024 1:21:59 GMT amadeusd said:

Jun 7, 2024 0:54:55 GMT monthlypayment said:

She's quite literally one of the most obvious sopranos in pop rn. I wouldn't be as shocked if you said Dua Lipa or anyone with a slightly heavier voice, but billie? Also, lightness refers to the thickness and proximity of the vocal folds, not so much timbre (at least when discussing voice types). By that logic, someone who sounds like, idk, Vivian Reed is a baritone because she doesnt have "a light timbre" lol

I nearly responded to what I think is just plain wrong, and instead point out that "By that logic..." is apparently a made up logic of yours. I do not cop to it. Your statements make no sense, and I intimated nothing of the sort. 

my position remains, and is still as noted. She has a heavier, darker voice than the majority of pop singers. And to a large degree, that isn't that relevant - it is hte lack of any notable soprano tell-tales that has lead me to this given I (notedly) am not an expert on her. Her voice is darker than Dua Lipa's that's for sure. 

Billie absolutely does not have a dark voice? This is quite laughable. You are using very odd criteria to discern someone's voice type. Your main "argument" is "tone," which is barely taken seriously by anybody. Voice types are determined by weight, tessitura, passaggi, etc. not tone. Compare her to someone like Miley Cyrus, Lyudmila Zykina, Sarah Vaughan, and you'll see little to no resemblance. Maybe you suspect her vocal limitations dictate her voice type, but technical choices or inadequacies are not helpful.

Also, my statement did make sense. I was comparing a soprano with a tone that is *not* dark or, as you would probably put it, "heavy" to a soprano who does have both a dark tone and a heavier voice, and making an exaggerated distinction between the two.

[amadeusd]

Jun 9, 2024 23:53:13 GMT monthlypayment said:

Jun 7, 2024 1:21:59 GMT amadeusd said:

I nearly responded to what I think is just plain wrong, and instead point out that "By that logic..." is apparently a made up logic of yours. I do not cop to it. Your statements make no sense, and I intimated nothing of the sort. 

my position remains, and is still as noted. She has a heavier, darker voice than the majority of pop singers. And to a large degree, that isn't that relevant - it is hte lack of any notable soprano tell-tales that has lead me to this given I (notedly) am not an expert on her. Her voice is darker than Dua Lipa's that's for sure. 

This is quite laughable.
Your main "argument" is "tone,"
which is barely taken seriously by anybody.

Voice types are determined by weight, tessitura, passaggi, etc. not tone. Compare her to someone like Miley Cyrus, Lyudmila Zykina, Sarah Vaughan, and you'll see little to no resemblance. Maybe you suspect her vocal limitations dictate her voice type, but technical choices or inadequacies are not helpful.

Also, my statement did make sense.... making an exaggerated distinction between the two.

(I have edited much out above, as my reply is necessarily brief and does not need it - forgive, and re-state anything you think was relevant)
I sincerely apologise for the combative nature of my previous reply. I found it such an odd response that it got hte better of me. Sorry for that. 
Onward.. 
The first couple lines: If this is your position, far be it from me. It is wrong (viz, you have misattributed arguments to me). I didn't intimate that, or make that argument. I actually put it to rest in the post you've quoted so *shrug*. I can be wrong, sure, but I can't be running arguments I don't stand behind. 

Mid section: I understand why you've done this, but I am well aware of all of this. But, you're also vaguely wrong here(I used the term 'weight' anyhow, which is only semi-related to tone as has more to do with breath support and how stylistic choices manifest given someone's voice placement). Tone/colour when you have other elements in mind is very much a worth-while factor to consider. Someone like Cedric Bixler vs someone like Jimmy Scott, as an example of where that would matter (though, in all honesty, Jimmy is a freak in this regard). I can compare her to those singers and see not a huge amount of difference. Miley is an outlier - like me, naturally placed much higher than her voice actually sits due to extensive damage (this part is just discussion, not argument). The point is taken - but i disagree. 

and finally, it did not make sense as it wasn't a claim that I had made. Not that the exaggeration was an obstacle. This should be sufficiently clear now. 

[KaizoKazoo]

Glad to see TRP hasn't changed.

[Yojojo]

Anyway, uh, her D5 in Birds of a Feather was pretty neat.

[asamic500]

I would bold the D5 In Birds Of A Feather And The B4 In The Greatest

[auraldippinn]

Aug 30, 2024 23:02:58 GMT asamic500 said:

I would bold the D5 In Birds Of A Feather And The B4 In The Greatest

whatever the heck did this guy do to get banned? :/

[Electric Mami]

Nothing that's to be discussed here

[ahkindamad]

umm seems like this hasn't been updated but there is a video showcasing her range in HMHAS.
the link:
youtu.be/MEXUx5upu4Q?si=aZgSLgdy9emqP5Pb
Also she has done a tiktok video showing her C6 in Over Now (Extended L'Amour De Ma Vie) .

[ahkindamad]

also there is a low note in the harmonies of Happier Than Ever.
I'll link the video here:
youtu.be/ZBAei1lNezU?si=8CHkzn2w9zc011aE
(It's between 3:43-3:45 of the video)
Can anybody tell what note it is?