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Berzan Önen
Associated Acts: Ascraeus, Deer From Space, United, Warring, Alkera, Be/Ta
Vocal Range: E1 - E6

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{Album Ranges}With Be/Ta:

Karanlığı Sev (2016): B1 - B♭5
Pestilence (2017): C2 - G5


With Black Water Sunset:

When Man and Machine Collide: A Tribute to Control Denied (2024): B1 - B5


With Crypted Roots:

Aeonian Justice (2024): F♯1 - B♭5


With DEER FROM SPACE:

Home (2016): E2 - B4
Escape (2020): A1 - E6


With Ethasar:

Songs of the Heroes (2024): B♭1 - B5
War of the Seven (2024): C2 - A5
Last of the Gods (2024): E2 - B♭5

With Inner Urge:

Consume And Waste (2022): A1 - B5


With Nomad Desert:

Black Mountain Desert of Doom (2021): A1 - F♯5
Insectoids (2022): B♭1 - F5


With OZMEDION:

Monsters & Mayhem (2023): G♯1 - A5
Down to the bone (2024): G1 - B5


With Preludium Fury:

Victory of the Champion (2021): B♭1 - B5
Battle of the Defender (2022): G1 - B♭5


With Reign of the Ekklesia:

Depths of Eternity (2023): Unavailable in my Country, Mostly consists of the same songs on "Maranatha"
Maranatha (2024): F1 - G♯5


With Jadoo:

Chain Reaction (2022): G1 - B5


With Shall We?:

Shall We? (2017): F♯2 - E5


With WarriorX:

I am The Sea (2024): E1 - G♯5

+ Various Ep's and Singles

Note: It is very possible I have missed a lot of material due to this artist having a popular Fiverr account, which has many of the songs he has worked on throughout the past couple of years. I believe most of them are listed in the thread but I'm too lazy to manually double-check every single file, please do not scold me :thanks:

Significant High Notes:

E6 ("Escape")
C6 ("In Memoriam", "Lord Procras of Tinator")
B5 ("Alison Hell" Live 2011, "Before It's Too Late", "Beast in Black", "Blow Me Away", "Chain Reaction", "Chameleon", "Down to the Bone (why)", "Evanescent Misery", "Fractured", "Horrorscope", "I'll Overcome", "I Am Inside", "In Memoriam", "Inside Out", "Live to Die", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "Mikrokozmos", "Mysterious Force", "No Man's Land", "Oath Of Revenge", "Pull Me Under", "The Ripper", "Shedding Skin", "Songs of the Heroes", "Weight of Doom", "Wiki-Metal Pt 2." Rick and Morty Edition)
B♭5 ("25k Subs Song", "80's Sci-Fi Invasion", "At Daylight's Edge", "The Banshee's Cry", "Bazen Bilmek Gerek", "Biyik", "Chosen One", "Citadel", "Guardian of Everlaste", "Heal The Waters", "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing (In Minor)", "Iki Nokta", "Intricacy", "Interstellar Exile", "In the Sea", "Kucuk Kral", "A Long Lost Dream", "Metal Health (Bang Your Head)", "More To Silence", "Morning Star", "Nightmare Creatures", "Open Your Eyes", "Pagan Pantheon", "Pencereden Kar Geliyor", "Reign of Metal", "Sands of Time", "Screaming in the vacuum", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Songs of the Heroes", "Swords and Sorcery", "Through Fire & Blood", "Triumph Over Anguish", "Violate", "War of the Dragons", "Watch Over You")
A5 ("And Fly!", "The Animal", "Ashes to Ashes", "Battle of Brothers", "Bir Kadinin Gunlugu", "The Blood Rage", "Can't Help Falling In Love" 4 Octave Elvis, "Chameleon", "Defender of the Empire", "Doesn't Really Matter", "Evanescent Misery", "Everlong", "Far Beyond The Astral Door", "Fear", "Flight Of Icarus", "Follow me", "Guardian of Everlaste", "Happy Birthday To Me", "The Hourglass", "Immortal Fire", "In Disguise", "It's a Sign of the End", "Katrina", "Last of the Gods", "The Last Outlaw", "The Legend of the Captive", "Live In Sin", "Lurker", "Metal Health (Bang Your Head)", "Mind Over Matter", "Mysterious Force", "Nasir's Final Stand", "Never Surrender", "No Man's Land", "Nothing Left", "The Power of the Beautiful Lord", "Pull Me Under", "The Ripper", "Save Me", "Save Our Galaxy", "Scent of Dark", "Set the World on Fire", "Shatter the Hordes", "Six Gods Must Die", "Spells Attack", "Stand Strong", "Stay", "The Clocks Were Striking Thirteen", "Too Late", "Triumph Over Anguish", "War of the Seven", "We Didn't Start The Fire", "Zeus")
G♯5 ("80's Sci-Fi Invasion", "Addicted to Chaos + Killing Road", "Alchemic Reaction", "The Banshee's Cry", "Bazen Bilmek Gerek", "The Biggest Lie (Trickle Down)", "Broken Smiles", "Burn It All", "I Cannot Say", "The Center Of Disease", "Chameleon", "Children of the Grave", "Citadel", "Comments Metal Song", "Dark", "Doesn't Really Matter", "Dreamer", "Echo of the Lost Pt, 2", "Eldris the Duelist", "For Liberty", "Full Moon", "Gandalf", "Gates of Hell", "General Bjorn", "Give Your Heart To Me", "Hallowed Ground", "I Am Inside", "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing (In Minor)", "I'll Overcome", "I'm Gone", "Interstellar Exile", "King Ammon", "King of the Giants", "Last Mistake", "My Demons", "No One to Trust", "Open Your Eyes", "Pencereden Kar Geliyor", "Relentless Quest", "Rise", "Sands of Heaven", "Sands of Time", "Scary Thoughts", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Soaring", "Tongue of Lies Pt. II", "Triumph Over Anguish", "Warlord", "Without Morals", "YSOLWND")
G5 ("All Hallows' Eve", "ASHES", "Alison Hell" Live 2011, "Anomaly", "And Fly!", "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Before It's Too Late", "Beautiful Morning", "Bir Kadinin Gunlugu", "Black Blade", "Burn", "Chain Reaction", "Cut Down", "Determined", "Down to the Bone (why)", "Dream Evil", "Ed Geins", "Falls Within", "Feed the Machine", "Fight For Every Breath", "Fight of a Warrior", "Giant Terror", "Give it all away", "Guardian of Everlaste", "Hatirla", "Hell Bent For Leather", "Immortal Fire", "In Esîr Like an Eagle", "into the fire", "It's a Sign of the End", "The Kiss of Judas", "The Last Outlaw", "Lethal Infection", "Liberate Your Mind", "Lights out", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "Love Me Forever", "Lurker", "Mattel", "Monkey Buisness", "Mysterious Force", "Nothing", "No surrender", "The Number Speaks", "Pagan Pantheon", "Planetary Migration", "Reign of the Ekklesia", "Root Morphology", "Run to You", "Sang Real", "Sanctuary", "Sickle and Peace", "Sin", "The Strategist", "Strong Men", "Through the Greatest Storm", "Tombs of avalon", "Too Late", "Tolkein and the Elf", "Unusual + Skull Session", "V is for Vulture", "Vursan Basini", "We Didn't Start The Fire", "Weight of Doom", "Where do you wanna go?", "Withering", "Wrathchild", "The Years of Decay")
F♯5 ("Alone" Heart Cover, "Battleship", "Bazen Bilmek Gerek", "Before It's Too Late", "The Biggest Lie (Trickle Down)", "Burn It All", "Chosen One", "I Find Myself", "Follow me", "Full Moon", "Going Under", "Hallowed Ground", "In Disguise", "Intricacy", "Kaksi Vuorta", "Kill The King", "Let it Be (In Minor)", "Love Rehab", "My Demons", "No surrender", "Out of Control", "Panic Attack", "A Paradise Lost, Pt. II", "Planetary Migration", "The Potato Uprising" "Punch Harder", "Real Madness", "The Reaping", "Sea", "Somebody Loves You", "Space Floozies", "Thoughts of an Unruly Mind' "Time", "Tornado of Souls", "Warlord", "Without Morals", "Would?", "YSOLWND")
F5 ("Alison Hell" Live 2011, "All the Heavy Lifting", "The Animal", "Aerials", "Beast in Black", "Boguk", "B.Y.O.B" Live 2019, "Cherry Bomb", "Cut Down", "Dancing On Your Grave", "Darkness Within", "At Daylight's Edge", "Defender of the Empire", "Demon Within", "Dragula", "Falls Within", "Five Magics", "Forever", "General Bjorn", "Giant Terror", "Hatirla", "Hero Is Me", "The Hourglass", "Insectoids from Past the Kuiper Belt", "Insomnia Sleeps", "Jump", "Kaliamya", "Liberate Your Mind", "Live to Die", "Love Me Forever", "Love Rehab", "Morphine Child" Live 2019, "More To Silence", "The Most Dangerous Animal", "Never Forsaken", "Night Calls", "Nightmare Creatures", "Ona", "Panic Attack", "Pencereden Kar Geliyor", "Raise your sails", "Reign of Metal", "Reign of the Ekklesia", "The spiders web", "Show Yourself", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Sonsuz", "Sunlight On A Long Road Of Shadows", "FEAR", "Screaming in the vacuum", "Triumph Over Anguish", "Unbreakable", "Valley of the Kings", "V is for Vulture", "Whatever I Want All the Time", "Wiki-Metal Pt 2." Rick and Morty Edition, "Withering")
E5 ("1000 Volts", "Alchemic Reaction", "All Hallows' Eve", "And Fly!", "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You", "Bad Ass Barbarian", "Battlefield", "Battle of the Defender", "Black Blade", "The Blackest Heart", "Break the Rules", "Burn It All", "By the Universe", "Coming Back to the Point", "Comments Metal Song "Determined", "Doesn't Really Matter", "Dark", "The End Of Silence", "Echo of the Lost", Evanescent Misery", "Feed the Machine", "Fight For Every Breath", "Forever Lost", "For Liberty", "Fractured", "From The Mouths Of Dictators", "Gasoline", "Going Under", "Hail To The King", "'Ham Sandwich", "Hate" Live 2019, "Hell Bent For Leather", "Holy Woolly Mammoth Rollers", "The Hourglass", "I Am The One", "into the fire", "Kaksi Vuorta", "King of the Giants", "The Legend of the Captive", "Lethal Infection", "Live to Die", "Malleon", "A Matter Of Time", "Metal Health (Bang Your Head)", "More To Silence", "Movin' This Much Weight", "My Demons", "Nasir's Final Stand", "Never Enough", "No One Knows" Live 2019, "Nothing", "The Number Speaks", "Original Caveman", "Red Planet Bitches", "Relentless Quest", "Remember Tomorrow", "Riding with the Devil", "S.a.M" Acoustic, "Sands of Heaven", "Scary Thoughts", "Screamin", "See the Lie", "Seven", "Soldier Of Fortune" Live 2020, "Space Oddity", "The spiders web", "Stand Strong", "Stick And Stones", "The Strategist", "Stranger Aliens", "Strong Men", "The Surgeon", "Swords and Sorcery", "The Time Of The Oath", "Tombs of avalon", "Too Late", "Whatever I Want All the Time", "Whole Lotta Cochise", "Without Chu")
E♭5 ("25k Subs Song", "Addicted to Chaos + Killing Road", "Alone" Heart Cover, "Alpha Dogs of Rock", "Anno Mundi", "Battleship", "Bet On Black", "Chain Reaction", "Chosen One", "Citadel", "Darkness Within", "Defender of the Empire", "Dream Evil", "I Dream In Infrared", "Enemies of Reality", "Evanescent Misery", "Evil G", "Exiled from The Hive", "Full Moon", "Gandalf", "Gates of Hell", "Give it all away", "Ham Sandwich", "Hero of Dover", "Hicbir Sey Her Seyi Sifirlamisti", Horoscope", "Iki Nokta", "Intricacy", "Interstellar Exile", "Kaliamya", "Kill The King", "A Long Lost Dream", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "Morning Star", "No One to Trust", "Nothing Left", "The Obsidian Conspiracy", "A Paradise Lost, Pt. II", "Pull Me Under", "Raise your sails", "Rise", "Run to You", "Sands of Time", "Screaming in the vacuum", "Sickle And Peace", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Smoke on the Water" Fiverr Request, "Soaring", "They Call me Zeus", "Under Pressure", "The World Hydra", "Through the Greatest Storm")
D5 ("A Matter Of Time", "Battle Boots", "Before It's Too Late", "Beast in Black", "Bir Gun Delirirsin Diye", "Blood and Thunder", "Brave Hagor's Gift", "Broken Smiles", "By Demons Be Driven", "I Cannot Say", "Cesur Yeni Dunya", "Cherry Bomb", "Disgust", "Dreamer", "The Dying Queen", "Echo of the Lost Pt. 2", "FEAR", "I Find Myself", "Follow me", "Forever", "From The Mouths Of Dictators", "Give Your Heart To Me", "Guardian of Everlaste", "Hallowed Ground", "Heal The Waters", "Hero of Dover", "In Disguise", "In Memoriam", "into the fire", "Live to Die", "Mysterious Force", "Night Calls", "Njord's Sacrifice", "Ona", "Once Again", "Out of Control", "Red Planet Bitches", "Run Seek Hide", "Sang Real", "Scent of Dark", "See the Lie", "Set the World on Fire", "Shepherd Of Lie", "Stay", "Sticks And Stones", "Thoughts of an Unruly Mind", "Time", "Tongue of Lies Pt. I", "V is for Vulture")
C♯5 ("Addicted to Chaos + Killing Road", "Alison Hell" Live 2011, "Alone" Heart Cover, "Anno Mundi", "ASHES", "Bailar", "Blood of the beast", "Chain Reaction", "Children of the Grave", "Demon Within", "Give it all away", "Ham Sandwich", "Happy New Year", "Iki Nokta", "Immortal Fire", "In Esîr Like an Eagle", "In the Sea", "King Knuts's Final Swim", "Leave Me Alone", "Man on the Silver Mountain", "Morning Star", "Naked Man", "No One to Trust", "Open Your Eyes", "Pagan Pantheon", "Panic Attack", "ParaVoid", "Pestilence", "Reign of Metal", "Relentless Quest", "Screamin", "Space Floozies", "Thoughts of an Unruly Mind", "Through the Greatest Storm", "The Time Of The Oath", "Triumph Over Anguish", "Valley of the Kings", "War of the Dragons", "Would?", "Zeus")
C5 ("1000 Volts", "2 Minutes to Midnight", "80's Sci-Fi Invasion", "I Am The Sea", "Bazen Bilmek Gerek", "Black Mountain Desert of Doom", "The Blood Rage", "Break the Rules", "Burn", "By the Universe", "Coming Back to the Point", "Disgust", "Dragula", "The End Of Silence", "Evanescent Misery", "Falls Within", "I Find Myself", "Frida's Triumph", "General Bjorn", "A Green Flash at Sunset was the Signal", "Hero Is Me", "Hero of Dover", "I Am The One", "Illuminati", "In Memoriam", "Insomnia Sleeps", "Interstellar Exile", "It's a Sign of the End", "I've Been Told", "King of the Giants", "Krakkar, the Legend", "Lacerate the Sky", "The Last Outlaw", "Liberate Your Mind", "Live In Sin", "Live to Win", "The Mannequin's Wave", "Monkey Buisness", "My Baby's Gone", "Mysterious Force", "Nightmare Creatures", "Nothing", "The Obsidian Conspiracy", "Original Caveman", "Perfect Gentleman", "Planetary Migration", "Power Overthrown", "Ringo's Song", "The Ripper", "Run to You", "S.a.M.", "Sanctuary", "Sands of Heaven", "Sea", "Set the World on Fire", "Seven", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Soaring", "Sonsuz", "Stay", "Stranger Aliens", "Strong Men", "Sweet Marie", "Swords and Sorcery", "Warlord", "Watch Over You", "Weight of Doom", "The World Hydra", "Your Soul Asylum",)
B4 ("All Hallows' Eve", "The Banshee's Cry", "Battle of the Defender", "By Demons Be Driven", "Cold Day In The Sun", "Comin' Over", "Dreamer", "I Dream In Infrared", "Fight for a Victory", "Five Magics", "Fractured", "The Friar", "Gandalf", "Gasoline", "Give Your Heart To Me","Hero Is Me", "Holy Woolly Mammoth Rollers", "Hicbir Sey Her Seyi Sifirlamist", "I'll Overcome", "Inside Out", "I've Been Told", "Karanlığı Sev", "The Kiss of Judas", "Live to Die", "Love Rehab", "Lurker", "Malleon", "The Mannequin's Wave", The Mask", "My Demons", "Njord's Sacrifice", "No Man's Land", "Once Again", "Planetary Migration", "The Potato Uprising", "Pull Me Under", "Reign of the Ekklesia", "Remember Tomorrow", "Reptilian Women", "Ringo's Song", "Sea", "Set You Free", "Screamin", "See the Lie", "Shedding Skin", "Swords and Sorcery", "Too Late", "Tolkein and the Elf", "Weight of Doom", "Wiki-Metal Pt 2." Rick and Morty Edition, "Withering", "Wrathchild")
B♭4 ("Alpha Dogs of Rock", "At Daylight's Edge", "Blood of the beast", "Boguk", "Burn", "Demon Within", "Dreamer", "Dream Evil", "Ed Geins", "Evil G", "Falls Within", "Feed the Machine", "Full Moon", "Gates of Hell", "Gravity", "Heal The Waters", "In Esîr Like an Eagle", "In Memoriam", "Insomnia Sleeps", "Kill The King", "Kucuk Kral", "Man on the Silver Mountain", "Morning Star", "Mysterious Force", "Naked Man", "Panic Attack", "Perfect Gentleman", "Pestilence", "Reign of Metal", "Riding with the Devil", "Rise", "Sands of Time", "Scent of Dark", "Screaming in the vacuum", "Show Yourself", "Sober", "Son Bir Kere Daha", "Songs of the Heroes", "The spiders web", "Sunlight On A Long Road Of Shadows", "Throne Wars", "Would?")
A4 ("1 Mayis Marsı", "Ashes to Ashes", "Akrep Yelkovan", "I Am The Sea", "Anno Mundi", "Anomaly", "Battleship", "Bazen Bilmek Gerek", "Bet On Black", "Black Desert Women", "Black Mountain Desert of Doom", "Blood and Thunder", "Boguk", "Born Again", "Brave Hagor's Gift", "Burn Baby", "Can't Help Falling in Love (In Minor)", "Caught Jester", "Chameleon", "Danger Zone", "Doesn't Really Matter", "Down to the Bone (why)", "The Dying Queen", "The End Of Silence", "Escape", "Fight for a Victory", "Fight For Every Breath", "Fight of a Warrior", "Follow me", "Fuck it", "Gasoline", "Gates of Hell", "Ghosts of the Navigator", "A Green Flash at Sunset was the Signal", "Happy Birthday To Me", "Heaven's Gate", "I Am The One", "Iki Nokta", "Immortal Fire", "In Esîr Like an Eagle", "Interstellar Exile", "In the Sea", "I've Been Told", "Kaliamya", "Katrina", "King Ammon", "King of the Giants", "Last Mistake", "Lethal Infection", "Liberate Your Mind", "Live In Sin", "A Long Lost Dream", "Man of Shadows", "Mattel", "Mr. Grim Reaper", "Mind Over Matter", "My Baby's Gone", "Neredeyim Ben?", "Never Forsaken", "Of Wolf And Man", "Ona", "Out of Control", "ParaVoid", "The Power of the Beautiful Lord", "Red Planet Bitches", "Root Morphology", "Sands of Heaven", "Sea", "See the Lie", "Set the World on Fire", "Six Gods Must Die", "Smoke on the Water" Fiverr Request, "Space Oddity", "The spiders web", "Stand Strong", "Stand Together", "Stay", "Sweet Marie", "This World", "Through Fire & Blood", "Tongue of Lies Pt. I", "Too Late", "Unbreakable", "Ustesinden Gelmek", "War of the Seven", "Watch Over You", "Withering", "Without Chu", "Without Morals", "Word for World", "Your Soul Asylum", "Zeus")
G♯4 ("80's Sci-Fi Invasion", "ASHES", "Alchemic Reaction", "Alone", "The Banshee's Cry", "Burn Baby", "The Biggest Lie (Trickle Down)", "Broken Smiles", "Burn It All", "I Cannot Say", "Comments Metal Song", "Echo of the Lost, Pt 1", "Escape", "Far Beyond The Astral Door", "Feed the Machine", "Fight of a Warrior", "Gandalf", "Gates of Hell", "General Bjorn", "Give Your Heart To Me", "Ham Sandwich", "Happy Birthday To Me", "Heal The Waters", "Hicbir Sey Her Seyi Sifirlamisti", "I Am Inside", "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing (In Minor)", "I'll Overcome", "I'm Gone", "Iki Nokta", "Interstellar Exile", "King Ammon", "King of the Giants", "Last Mistake", "Live In Sin", "Live to Win", "Love Me Forever", "My Baby's Gone", "My Demons", "A Matter Of Time", "Neredeyim Ben?", "Open Your Eyes", "Pencereden Kar Geliyor", "Pestilence", "Planetary Migration", "Relentless Quest", "Rise", "Sands of Heaven", "Sands of Time", "Save Me", "Scary Thoughts", "Sickle And Peace", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Soaring", "Sonsuzlugun Pesinde", "The Time Of The Oath", "Tongue of Lies Pt. II", "Tornado of Souls", "Triumph Over Anguish", "Warlord", "Without Morals", "YSOLWND")

Significant Low Notes:

C3 ("All the Heavy Lifting", "Alone", "Augustus", "Bir Gun Delirirsin Diye", "Blood of the beast", "Burn Baby", "Comin' Over", "Coming Back to the Point", "Echo of the Lost, Pt. 1", "Efsunlu Kadin", "Evil G", "Fixxxer", "Gandalf", "Give Your Heart To Me", "Going Under", "Home Blown", "Illuminati", "Kaksi Vuorta", "King Ammon", "Lacerate the Sky", "Lament of the Braves", "Malleon", "Nightmare Creates", "Planetary Migration", "Queen Marion's Last Charge", "Reign of Metal", "Sanctuary", "Save me", "Screamin", "Sickle and Peace", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Sticks And Stones", "Strong Men", "Sweet Marie", "Swords and Sorcery", "Total Loneliness")
B2 ("Battle of the Defender", "Blow Me Away", "Brave Hagor's Gift", "Determined", "Enemies of Reality", "Escape", "Gates of Hell", "Holy Woolly Mammoth Rollers", "Intricacy", "Leave Me Alone", "Live In Sin", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "The Mannequin's Wave", "Once Again", "Reptilian Women", "Ringo's Song", "Silence", "Stand Together", "This World", "Tolkien and the Elf", "Truva Ati", "Ustesinden Gelmek", "Watch Over You")
B♭2 ("Blood of the beast", "By Demons Be Driven","By the Universe", "Chain Reaction", "Eldris the Duelist", "I'm Gone", "Liberate Your Mind", "Naked Man", "Pencereden Kar Geliyor", "Punch Harder", "Rad Warrior", "Rise", "Sonsuzlugun Pesinde", "Starman")
A2 ("Anomaly", "At Daylight's Edge", "Bir Kadinin Gunlugu", "Can't Help Falling In Love" 4 Octave Elvis, "Defender of the Empire", "The Dying Queen", "Gravity", "I'll Overcome", "I Am Inside", "Krakkar, the Legend", "A Long Lost Dream", "Malleon", "Mikrokozmos", "Nothing", "The Potato Uprising", "The Power of the Beautiful Lord", "The Ripper", "Sang Real", "Smoke on the Water" Fiverr Request, "Sweet Marie", "Watch Over You", "Wiki-Metal Pt 2." Rick and Morty Edition, "Without Chu", "Your Soul Asylum", "Zeus")
G♯2 ("Burn Baby", "Can't Help Falling in Love (In Minor)", "I Cannot Say", "Fight of a Warrior", "General Bjorn", "Gtym", "Guns Are Loaded", "Intricacy", "Only Ketamine", "Rad Warrior", "Real Madness", "Save me", "Starman", "Too Good To Be True", "Total Loneliness", "Without Morals")
G2 ("And Fly!", "Anomaly", "Battle of the Defender", "Dark", "Determined", "Far Beyond The Astral Door", "Fight For Every Breath", "I Find Myself", "Going Under", "Guardian of Everlaste", "Hatirla", "Heaven's Gate", "Illuminati", "In Esîr Like an Eagle", "Kul", "My Demons", "Night Calls", "Opium Dens", "Perfect Gentlemen", "Prey For Us" Halloween Remix, "Sang Real", "Scary Thoughts", "Seven", "Shepherd Of Lie", "Starman", "Strong Men", "Unbreakable")
F♯2 ("Battleship", "Bet On Black", "Enemies of Reality", "Fuck It", "Heaven's Gate", "Home Blown", "I've Been Told", "Let it Be (In Minor)", "Pestilence", "The Potato Uprising", "Real Madness", "The Reaping", "Spells Attack", "Time", "YSOLWND")
F2 ("Ashes to Ashes", "At Daylight's Edge", "Battle of Brothers", "Blind (Unplugged)", "Boguk", "Burn It All", "Dancing On Your Grave", "Defender of the Empire", "Down to the Bone (why)", "Ed Gein", "Efsunlu Kadin", "Hero Is Me", "The Hourglass", "Live to Win", "Love Me Forever", "Never Enough", "Night Calls", "Nightmare Creatures", "Red Planet Bitches", "Raise your sails", "Save Our Galaxy", "Sonsuzlugun Pesinde", "Stand Together", "Whatever I Want All the Time")
E2 ("1000 Volts", "All Hallows' Eve", "Bad Ass Barbarian", "Battle of the Defender", "Black Desert Women", "Burn It All", "Brave Hagor's Gift", "Comin' Over", "Down to the Bone (why)", "The Dying Queen", "First of the Braves", "Forever Lost", "From The Mouths Of Dictators", "Hero Is Me", "Holy Woolly Mammoth Rollers", "The Hourglass", "I Am Inside", "I'll Overcome", "Kaksi Vuorta", "Kul", "Krakkar, the Legend", "The Legend of the Captive", "Malleon", "My Demons", "Never Enough", "Nomad Desert Slab Women", "The Number Speaks", "Open Your Eyes", "Relentless Quest", "Spells Attack", "Stranger Aliens", "The Surgeon", "The Unknown Variable", "War of the Dragons", "Whatever I Want All the Time", "Zeus")
E♭2 ("Atlantis", "Battle Boots", "Bet On Black", "Chain Reaction", "Children of the Grave", "Demon Within", "Echo of the Lost, Pt. 1", "Evanescent Misery", "Exiled from The Hive", "Far Beyond The Astral Door", "Fixxxer", "Forever Lost", "In Love With An Android", "Insectoids from Past the Kuiper Belt", "Karanlığı Sev", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "A Matter Of Time", "Night Calls", "No One to Trust", "Original Caveman", "Pestilence", "Raise your sails", "Sands of Heaven", "Scary Thoughts", "Somebody Loves You", "Unhumanity", "The World Hydra")
D2 ("Bad Ass Barbarian", "Battleship", "Before It's Too Late", "Black Blade", "Black Desert Women", "The Center of Disease", "Chosen One", "Determined", "The Dying Queen", "Efsunlu Kadin", "From The Mouths Of Dictators", "Gates of Hell", "In Disguise", "into the fire", "Mattel", "Morphine Child" Live 2019, "Never Enough", "Never Forsaken", "Of Wolf And Man", "Once Again", "Pagan Pantheon", "Real Madness", "Red Planet Bitches", "Rise", "Save me", "Scent of Dark", "Silence", "Spells Attack", "Leave Me Alone", "Sticks And Stones", "This World", "Time", "V is for Vulture")
C♯2 ("Addicted to Chaos + Killing Road", "By Demons Be Driven", "Children of the Grave", "Enemies of Reality", "Fight for a Victory", "Follow me", "Insectoids from Past the Kuiper Belt", "Karanlığı Sev", "Iki Nokta", "Interstellar Exile", "Lights Out", "Man of Shadows", "No One to Trust", "Punch Harder", "Relentless Quest", "Scary Thoughts", "Six Gods Must Die", "Stand Strong", "Thoughts of an Unruly Mind", "Warlord")
C2 ("Aerials", "Battle of Brothers", "Black Mountain Desert of Doom", "Boguk", "Broken Smiles", "Caught Jester", "The Center of Disease", "Cesur Yeni Dunya", "Comments Metal Song", Dubstep Impression, "Efsunlu Kadin", "Evanescent Misery", "Far Beyond The Astral Door", "First of the Braves", "Hail To The King", "Hell Bent For Leather", "Hero of Dover", "Immortal Fire", "into the fire", "It's a Sign of the End", "Kaliamya", "King of the Giants", "Kuiper Belt Snivelers", "Lacerate the Sky", "Last Mistake", "The Last Outlaw", "Liberate Your Mind", "Lord Procras of Tinator", "The Mannequin's Wave", "My Baby's Gone", "Nothing Left, "O' Death", "Power Overthrown", "Rad Warrior", "Sinners Of Humanity", "Stranger Aliens", "The World Hydra", "Time")
B1 ("25k Subs Song", "Aerials", "Boguk", "Broken Smiles", "Chameleon", "Down to the Bone (why)", "Everything's Red" Live 2019 "First of the Braves", "Fractured", "The Friar", "Gates of Hell", "Hail to the King", "Hate" Live 2019 "Holy Woolly Mammoth Rollers", "The Hourglass", "Immortal Fire", "into the fire", "Kaksi Vuorta", "Leave Me Alone", "No surrender", "Opium Dens", "Real Madness", "Root Morphology", "Save Our Galaxy", "Spells Attack", "They Call me Zeus", "Too Late", "Truva Ati", "Usta", "Wiki-Metal Pt 2." Rick and Morty Edition)
B♭1 ("Alpha Dogs of Rock", "Bailar", "Citadel", "Disgust", "Dragula", "Exiled from The Hive", "Evil G", "Forever Lost","From The Mouths Of Dictators", "Insectoids from Past the Kuiper Belt", "Lament of the Braves", "Never Surrender", "O' Death", "Reign of Metal", "Rise", "Sanctuary", "They Call me Zeus", "The time Of The Oath", "Tombs of avalon", "Unusual + Skull Session", "War of the Dragons", "Would?")
A1 ("All the Heavy Lifting", "Ashes to Ashes", "I Am The Sea", "Can't Help Falling In Love" 4 Octave Elvis, "Caught Jester", "Cut Down", "The End Of Silence", "Enemies of Reality", "Gravity", "A Matter Of Time", "No Man's Land", "Pagan Pantheon", "ParaVoid", "Power Overthrown", "Riding with the Devil", "The Ripper", "Scary Thoughts", "Shedding Skin", "Sickle and Peace", "Spells Attack", "Thoughts of an Unruly Mind", "Through Fire & Blood", "Zeus" "Demo Version)
G♯1 ("Broken Smiles", "By Demons Be Driven, "Down to the Bone (why)", "Fight of a Warrior", "Follow me", "Giant Terror", "The Obsidian Conspiracy", "Run Seek Hide", "Run to You", "Sticks And Stones", "Stranger Aliens", "Throne Wars, "The Time Of The Oath", "V is for Vulture")
G1 ("The Banshee's Cry", "Chain Reaction", "Echo of the Lost, Pt. 1", "Ed Gein, "Hero of Dover", "Out of Control", "Prey For Us" Halloween Remix, "Root Morphology", "Run Seek Hide", "Save Our Galaxy", "Sunlight On A Long Road Of Shadows", "Turn the Page" Live Acoustic 2022)
F♯1 ("Aerials", "Battle of Brothers", "Hate" Live 2019, "Pagan Pantheon", "Paradise Lost", "Rocket Launcher", "Run Seek Hide", "Sonsuz", "Truva Ati")
F1 ("Beast in Black", "Citadel", "Immortal Fire", "Monkey Business", "Of Wolf And Man", "Prey For Us" Halloween Remix, "Rise", "Somebody Loves You")
E1 ("The Mannequin's Wave", "Screamin''")

SPOILER: Click to show

{Questionable Notes}B6 ("Lurker" ^[2])
F6 ("The Center Of Disease" ^[5])
D6 ("Liberate Your Mind" ^{Probably Guitar})
C♯6 ("Karanlığı Sev" ^[5])
C6 ("Red Planet Bitches" ^[1])
B5 ("Hell Bent For Leather" ^[1])

A1 ("Gtym" ^[2], "Pestilence" ^[5][1], "The Unknown Variable" ^[5])
G♯1 ("Liberate Your Mind" ^[5], "Down the Hole" ^[5])
G1 ("Kuiper Belt Snivelers" ^[5], "A Matter Of Time" ^[1][3], "My Baby's Gone" ^[5])
F♯1 ("Follow me" ^[5], "More To Silence" ^[5])
F1 ("Reign of Ekklesia" ^[5])
E1 ("Boguk" ^[5], "Raise your sails" ^[5])
E♭1 ("The World Hydra" ^[5])
D1 (The Mannequin's Wave" ^[3])

+ a bunch of other airy/toneless growls.

Note: Berzan Loves to make harmonies with a billion layers, and because of this, it is likely i've missed some very obscured notes.

[1] marks yelps and short trills in high range or anacrusis and short dips in low range.

[2] marks notes of questionable identity that cannot be confirmed to be the singer in question.

[3] marks non-melodic notes that don't have a significant enough pitch to warrant inclusion.

[4] marks notes that possess uncertain pitch or have been pitch-shifted.

[5] marks notes that do not fit the previous criteria but are not of a substantial enough quality to warrant counting towards the singer's range.

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Blue marks falsetto or whistle notes.
Green marks harsh/distorted notes.
Grey marks notes that are produced via throat singing, vocal fry, growling, And subharmonics.
Underlines mark notes that are obscured in the song mix.
Italics mark non-melodic notes.
Boldface marks notes that are considered to be particularly notable examples of this person's vocal capabilities.


Huge Thanks to Electric Mami and kuyashii for helping me with LOTS of notes, I cannot stress enough how grateful I am.

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Photo Taken By @Livemetalshots

[kuyashii]

The man. The voice. The biceps.

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Uhhh what happened to us concluding that those grey notes were actually undertones that were actually sung an octave higher? I remember we all agreed about that being the case for the bottom notes from "Morphine Child", "I'll Overcome", "Pagan Pantheon", and "Far Beyond the Astral Door". Why are they still listed as second octave (or first octave, in the case of "Pagan Pantheon") after all that discussion we had about this on the Discord?

[Goober]

haha, to be frank... you confused me. They're throat sung, and that is conveyed in the thread, it's not a case unique to him. and it's obviously a technique that he is pretty good at, he uses them intentionally in melodies. So I feel that said notes should be listed in the thread as 2nd/1st Octave (As Grey of course). Apologies for the Confusion.

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Sure, it's very impressively controlled throat singing, but the fact is that the notes he is hitting there are not 2nd/1st octave notes. We went over this quite a bit in the Discord the other week, and I thought everybody was pretty resolute on agreeing about that. Not sure how much of that discussion I need to recap here to make the point again, but in summary he's singing lower third/upper second octave notes that he's applying the false cords to in a way that creates resonant undertones, and is effectively sneakily disguising those lower third/upper second octave notes into sounding like very impressively projected lower second/upper first octave notes.

I remember the "Far Beyond the Astral Door" clip was one of the ones that gave it away the hardest to me - it starts out sounding like he's singing a strong C2 followed by a strong E♭2, but then on the next note it starts to sound kind of like a G2 and kind of like a G3 at the same time, and then by the last note he is very obviously singing a C4, even though it sounded like he only moved across the span of an octave the whole time. That's because the notes that sounded like C2 and E♭2 were actually a throat sung C3 and E♭3 that were so darkened they sounded a whole octave lower. On the G3, the fundamental pitch began to become more audible, and then by the C4 he wasn't singing with the undertones anymore. None of that passage should be counted for anything lower than C3, nor should any of the other clips I mentioned (except for "Pagan Pantheon", which should be counted for A2 instead of A1). Of the notes that you currently I have bolded, the lowest one that I'm hearing as being the actual legitimate pitch you have it listed for is the "Before It's Too Late" D2, but everything below that is lower second/upper first octave with undertones.

We've seen other instances of low notes like this by Dave Mustaine, Tim Owens, James Hetfield, Chad Kroeger, Jim Gillette, Tom Araya, and I'm sure some others that I'm not remembering right now. With most of those kinds of singers, they're not actually intentionally throat singing - they're just messing around with grit tones and carrying it into their lower range, which effectively is what creates these kinds of undertones, and is the technique behind that mechanism on a basic level. Berzan is definitely someone who's mastered it to a very impressive level and clearly uses it much more deliberately than any of them, and that's really cool! However, we don't count the undertones that any of those singers achieve as upper first/lower second octave when they do it, and we really shouldn't change the rules for Berzan just because he does it more convincingly with better control than them. Same goes for singers that can achieve overtones on their highest notes to make them sound an octave higher - they may deceive our ears at first into thinking they're hitting sixth/seventh octave notes, but we should still count them for the fundamental pitch that their vocal cords are actually hitting.

If I in any way didn't make this clear enough during that Discord discussion I apologize, but I thought between myself, Electric Mami , mushymarionette and amadeusd we had explained this quite thoroughly, and had made the point clear as to why it's sometimes necessary to distinguish between the pitch that a note may sound like because of some kind of affectation like this, and the fundamental pitch that it actually is. I understand that it's a bit of a confusing concept, but it's one that's very important to distinguish when it comes to guys like Berzan who have those kinds of deception tricks up their sleeve.

[amadeusd]

Fwiw, he's extremely fucking good at it so I get why it hurts to list them as second/third octave.

But yes, I would say the fundamentals are going to be an octave up. I'm not across every example in the thread, but I agree with Henny, overall. I think it's been canvased before even here on the forum that Throat Sung notes are always listed by their fundamental.

[kuyashii]

The subharmonics and throat singing clips are debatable, but the pure vestibular fold growls are definitely 1st octave

[Electric Mami]

We count throat sung notes as the octave they sound like when the singer is indeed able to control the technique so well that it genuinely sounds like the octave you're hearing. It has never been question not to do that on any concerned thread and I don't see why this thread would make an exception. The examples of other singers using a similar tone do not show such intent nor control so that's why their subby notes are disqualified in comparison

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Oct 8, 2024 19:47:00 GMT Electric Mami said:

We count throat sung notes as the octave they sound like when the singer is indeed able to control the technique so well that it genuinely sounds like the octave you're hearing. It has never been question not to do that on any concerned thread and I don't see why this thread would make an exception. The examples of other singers using a similar tone do not show such intent nor control so that's why their subby notes are disqualified in comparison

Hang on, so you think the throat sung notes here should be counted as lower second octave/upper first octave? Because it didn't sound like it when we were discussing them in the Discord the other week... 

[Electric Mami]

I did say "count it as second octave" at some point when talking about one of these notes, I never said the contrary

[amadeusd]

Fwiw, I don't think throat-sung notes should be counted as anything but their fundamental, regardless of quality. I'm unsure why you would, other than to expand range. That said, I don't care either. I see Mami's logic and ... yeah. fine.

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Oct 8, 2024 22:43:24 GMT Electric Mami said:

I did say "count it as second octave" at some point when talking about one of these notes, I never said the contrary

That doesn't really clarify anything because some of them sound like first octave but are actually fundamentally second octave lol, so if it was one of those that you were talking about I agree I think? 

The way I see it, if there's any way that we can debunk the validity of the pitch that a note sounds like, we should not be counting it as that perceived pitch. If there are singers out there who are SO convincing with their technique that none of us hear it as anything but the pitch it sounds like, sure I guess we can count that as such? But I would not say that that is the case here. Berzan is VERY good at his throat singing technique and disguises it to sound like he's hitting legitimate lower second/first octave notes very effectively, but there are still enough giveaway signs that the notes his vocal cords are achieving are actually lower third/upper second octave, to the point that I can't in good faith agree with counting them as lower than that. You can hear it in some of the clips that I pointed out in the previous post - how when he moves higher and transitions out of that throat singing, he seems to "skip" a whole octave suspiciously, when in reality he was never singing in the octave it sounded like in the first place, and that's why he's able to jump up to seemingly higher notes so seamlessly. In addition to that, as I mentioned in my previous post, you can hear a distinct difference between some of his more genuine second octave notes, like the "Before It's Too Late" D2 and the "Boguk" F2, because those are much smoother and more quiet than the throat sung ones, the way an actual chest voice note in that range is more naturally prone to sounding. Seems like his low range isn't actually that naturally resonant or powerful - he's just VERY good at manipulating his voice in a way that makes it sound like he has these massive lows, but in reality he's just hitting very average male low range notes and playing with the tone of them.

Also, if we're going to let those kinds of notes be counted as first octave, it basically suggests that we should count Eric Martin and Fabio Lione's highest notes as upper sixth and seventh octave because of the way they apply overtones to them (even though we've examined them closely enough to confirm that that is not actually what they are hitting either). It would also imply that we should count better-controlled instances of throat singing by other singers as the non-fundamental pitches as well, like this D3 (disguised as a D2) by Tim Owens:

[Electric Mami]

I mean we just know subharmonics are subharmonics and not fundamental notes right? And yet we do count them as the pitch it sounds like when the singer is able to produce the technique intentionally and reliably. As far as I'm aware and for forum consistency matters, there is no reason to do it for every subharmonic technique but this particular throat singing technique. We know a subharmonic or throat sung F1 isn't actually an F1 but an F2 in a certain vocal folds/false folds usage, so we could, as you said, debunk it and say "No it's an F2" because we know it isn't what it sounds like from technical knowledge rather than being able to hear it. By the way, basing ourselves on being able to hear the fundamental or not is way too arbitrary to be a reliable standard for the forum, in my opinion. I know we have quite some subjectivity in countability and whatnot already, but we also try to rely on tangible technical knowledge and analysis as well, right? With subharmonic techniques, you're creating something lower that doesn't exist in natural voice, as opposed to overtoney screams that are enhancing an overtone that was always there to begin with, which is why the overtones comparison doesn't work

[amadeusd]

Oct 9, 2024 14:58:20 GMT Electric Mami said:

By the way, basing ourselves on being able to hear the fundamental or not is way too arbitrary to be a reliable standard for the forum, in my opinion.

Oof. I do agree with this, but I think a consensus, or at least a majority consensus could do well enough - what else could we go on?

I suppose coming to some consensus (excuse the re-use) on the above would allow us to have a standard, the clear subjectivity notwithstanding (given we're not in their throats with full physical knowledge of various tone production)

[Electric Mami]

I thought the consensus was to count any subharmonic technique that's executed with clear intent and especially control! :despairgif:

[Platypus]

I think throat singing gets a bad rap when it comes to these sort of discussions because a lot of people who do it aren’t that good at it or do it accidentally. For example, the main reason that the Tim Ripper note isn’t counted in the thread is because the undertone isn’t really that convincing. Like Maxim says, it sounds like a dark third octave note.

A more convincing example would be something like What Made The Red Man Red with Candy Candido. This is a better executed version of the technique and many people probably wouldn't consider it controversial to count as a B♭1, even if it still falls under what you could conceivably call throat singing.

Though another problem that arises when judging these kinds of notes is that sometimes a singer might flip in or out of a certain subharmonic technique. Take this clip from Scatman John where he starts in the fourth octave, trails down, flips into subharmonics around C4, before finally landing on A2/A3. In John’s case I think his technique is well executed and clearly intentional, but I think counting this as an A2 would still be strange considering the context of the melody.

My rule of thumb for these situations is that If I were to transcribe it, what would I transcribe it as? Using the examples from earlier, I think the Scatman John clip makes more sense as an A3 to me and the Candy Candido clip makes more sense as a B♭1 even if they are both subharmonic techniques.

[amadeusd]

Oct 9, 2024 20:02:56 GMT Platypus said:

My rule of thumb for these situations is that If I were to transcribe it, what would I transcribe it as? Using the examples from earlier, I think the Scatman John clip makes more sense as an A3 to me and the Candy Candido clip makes more sense as a B♭1 even if they are both subharmonic techniques.

Hmm. Not an unreasonable thumb you have there - but this is going to lead to some serious inconsistencies as between different note-watchers claiming to hear the sub 'more clearly' than others or whatever. 
It's tempting to want to accept low subs as range-expanding. Thats why I say a consensus could avoid that. Or, we just accept that different threads will be inconsistent as to how throat sung notes get listed. 

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Before we continue this debate any further, I'd just like to know what four notes people are hearing in the lowest harmony in this clip:

[Electric Mami]

Oct 10, 2024 22:09:14 GMT Hennessy Macklemore III said:

Before we continue this debate any further, I'd just like to know what four notes people are hearing in the lowest harmony in this clip:

C2 - E♭2 - G3 - C4, he gets out of the throat sung subharmonic on the third note, possibly due to it being to high for him to execute a subharmonic properly. The first two notes are perfectly executed subharmonics though, so I think they should be counted as second octave. To follow Platypus' rule of thumb, I would transcribe these as such at least

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Interesting, because it's VERY clearly only an octave increment in the whole thing. The G3 very clearly exposes the entire passage as third octave, and it seems silly to me to count the first two notes as a whole different octave when it's that apparent that the E♭ is just a third lower than the G3, and the C is just a third lower than the E♭.


This is another clip that makes it VERY apparent that no matter how much the first note in it may sound like a C♯2, it's all actually third octave, as evidenced by how little space you hear between it and the fourth octave when he moves up there and starts singing the same melody in that range. Great C♯3-G♯5 though!

His throat singing is a cool trick for sure, but there is enough of a discernible difference between it and genuine lower second octave/first octave notes/passages that I really can't get on board with counting these notes as such.

[Platypus]

Oct 12, 2024 1:13:29 GMT Hennessy Macklemore III said:

Interesting, because it's VERY clearly only an octave increment in the whole thing. The G3 very clearly exposes the entire passage as third octave, and it seems silly to me to count the first two notes as a whole different octave when it's that apparent that the E♭ is just a third lower than the G3, and the C is just a third lower than the E♭.

For the record, I agree with this. I would count that as a C3 (and C♯3 for the sabbath clip).

[EddieCheivz]

At least on "Far Beyond the Astral Door" case, I honestly hearing it as C3 even from the beggining, just with a obvious very strong throat sounding, I learned that with Robert De Niro C#3 sounding as a C#2.

I mean I agree with Mami logic yes, but no with the hearing with first two notes are perfectly executed on subharmonics.

EDIT: There's at least some notes below I'm actually hearing as 1st octave though, the B1 from "The Hourglass" sounds pretty convinceable to me as a one of them!

[asgardvoxx]

So I had a listen myself, and I can hear either the 2nd octave undertone or the 3rd octave fundamental frequency depending on how I listen to it — it’s much more obvious to me now. I see your point, dearest Hennessy Macklemore III

[Goober]

My issue when considering the context of the melody comes into play when I find a note like this, where he seems to start at the second octave then suddenly he slides up and skips past nearly an entire octave, however at 2:00 he pretty clearly seems to be aiming for E3... so it would make sense (at least in my mind) that he is intending to lower it an octave for that final climax part. I wouldn't be comfortable counting both as third octave whenever one is so clearly intended to be an octave lower. Would I count the E at 3:24 as third octave even though there is nothing else in the melody that would Identify it as third octave? And if I we're to count it as second octave, it would be pretty inconsistent to include this one as the note perceived and not the note in that final slide, considering they are the exact same technique. The Black Sabbath cover is a pretty similar case I think. At 1:45 in the left channel, he goes for the same melody without throat singing. I don't think the intention was to raise the octave and make it a C#3 - G#5 Melody for the next part? especially considering he turned the screen PURPLE!!! :Scoob:. He is clearly aiming for second octave and I think including it as third octave would be inconsistent in the context of the song as a whole. And aside from it looking weird on paper, the melody line skipping an octave isn't inherently wrong? It sounds fine? The context of the note doesn't change what the note/technique actually is, if it's a throat sung C2 or E2... Then it's a throat sung C2 or E2, Changing how the note is perceived depending on context doesn't 100% sit well with me, especially with Berzan here.




IMO

[EddieCheivz]

I mean, I think we all agree on this, but I think precisely the reason why some people are in favour of not counting those notes as their lower undertones is because he doesn't really manage to generate that second octave sound as such (even though he is clearly aiming for that and that's his intention). I mean, for counting a note with an undertone like that it is not only a matter of verifying which tone the singer is pointing towards, but also what tone he was ultimately able to play.

And if you listen closely to most of his first and second octave notes, he doesn't really generate that solidity and legitimacy in his undertones convincing enough to count as a first octave, even though he is quite good at generating undertones. Compare it for example with some lows of guys like Attila Csihar, Phil Anselmo or Ville Valo and these really don't sound so well connected and accomplished to really operate as a second/first octave note compared to the aforementioned ones.

However, I still believe there are some countable points below C2 here to count as that, but it would be a matter of simply analyzing each note in each case and not applying a general inhibition for all the notes done with this particular technique.