Michael Jackson (61,265 views)

[Steingrim]

Mar 25, 2022 22:44:25 GMT brookesquatchy said:

I'm pretty sure the F2 in the questionable notes section isn't fried, to me it just sounds like an accidental subharmonic F1. Still not anything but questionable but I'm pretty sure that's what's actually going on there

He's subbing his lowest note down one octave ? No, that's as good as impossible. Even the best subbers can't do that. Geoff Castellucci (Voiceplay) doesn't sub lower than C#1 in the studio and C#2 is ridiculously easy for him. bass2yang is better at it, but it's still not a full octave.

[brookesquatchy]

Mar 26, 2022 8:55:09 GMT Steingrim said:

He's subbing his lowest note down one octave ? No, that's as good as impossible. Even the best subbers can't do that. Geoff Castellucci (Voiceplay) doesn't sub lower than C#1 in the studio and C#2 is ridiculously easy for him. bass2yang is better at it, but it's still not a full octave.

well, given that it's accidental and very brief, by the mechanisms that subharmonics operate by there's no reason to believe it couldn't be. it very clearly and audibly is an F2 fundamental with an F1 "undertone." you even hear it pop back up to F2 for a split second at the very end of the note.

['S]

Tfw you can't seem to accept 3 octaves and 7 semitones of actual singing from the long-dead Mickey Jaxx so resort to whatever that was.

[Steingrim]

Okay, so F1-C#6 it is. That's quite the gap at the bottom. Where are we now, 4 octaves and 8 semitones ?

['S]

That's literally not it, the hint was why are people not accepting 3 octaves and 7 semitones, like what is the problem? Obviously over an octave of range gap from a questionable note people can't even describe isn't it lol

[Steingrim]

Mar 27, 2022 20:31:14 GMT 'S said:

That's literally not it, the hint was why are people not accepting 3 octaves and 7 semitones, like what is the problem? Obviously over an octave of range gap from a questionable note people can't even describe isn't it lol

Who is not accepting F#2 - C6 ? That's amazingly low for his timbre and his great high notes. A lot of African American singers have huge ranges. 

['S]

Mar 27, 2022 20:39:22 GMT Steingrim said:

A lot of African American singers have huge ranges.

Well yes but also like why say this. It's like you're taking a leaf out of ilovarethafranklin dogma but at the same time it smacks of the whole uh

[brookesquatchy]

Mar 27, 2022 18:29:38 GMT 'S said:

Tfw you can't seem to accept 3 octaves and 7 semitones of actual singing from the long-dead Mickey Jaxx so resort to whatever that was.

i dont think it should count, i'm just saying the questionable notes section misdescribes what his voice is actually doing in that moment. if anything it being an accidental subharmonic makes it an even more iffy note than if it was a fried F2. the F1 wasn't on purpose and therefore shouldn't be counted as an F1, and if he can't hit the F2 without flipping to subharmonics unintentionally it means F2 is a unusably unstable note for him even if it should be available to his voice, and thus shouldn't be counted as an F2.

there's no way anyone should reasonably consider his range as greater than F♯2-C♯6 in regards to what is counted in the main portion of his thread, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with his range being such.

[IhateMana]

it sounds pretty audibly to me that he just broke his floor and had to fry the F2. I think your subharmonic is probably just a recording artifact

[brookesquatchy]

i think that's definitely possible but that doesn't really explain why he pops back into what sounds more like chest voice for the last split second of the note. slowed down it becomes a lot more apparent to the ears that there's some form of sub-octave polyphony going on which could be the recording but to my ears it definitely sounds a little bit too natural for me to buy that that's what's happening, especially with the very brief jump back up the octave at the end being so audible to me. i'm really not asking you to change it because at the very least it's agreed upon that it's not representative of his low end and whatever reasoning is used to come to that conclusion is somewhat negligible but that's just what i thought when i heard it and i figured i might as well mention it

[Steingrim]

G#5 here : youtu.be/HksLQx6SbMg?t=229

Not sure if it is modal. If it is, then it's his highest after the C6 in Dirty Diana. Which I'm going to guess is a scream.

[kaji]

That’s definitely not modal. Clearly M2. Nice notes though.

[Steingrim]

Apr 18, 2022 14:14:40 GMT kaji said:

That’s definitely not modal. Clearly M2. Nice notes though.

If you say so. His voice is pretty thin up there, though nice. Kind of like Sting.

[Deleted]

Mediocre singer. I don’t understand the hype. Also, that C#6 is just a random exclamation. I wouldn’t count it.

[kaji]

I think you'd benefit from listening to his time in the Jackson 5. Very good singing in those years. Also what was spectacular about him is not really his voice but his songwriting and showmanship. But he had plenty of good vocal moments too. And this is coming from someone who has very high standards.

[Brenda]

"Forever Michael" is my favorite Michael.

In more ways than one, Michael's biggest problem is that he grew up, and that's all I'm gonna say about that.

[IhateMana]

I fucking hate Michael Jackson lmao

[fallenalien]

Jun 15, 2022 18:47:38 GMT @ianvector said:

Mediocre singer. I don’t understand the hype. Also, that C#6 is just a random exclamation. I wouldn’t count it.

You are very edgy and special. Not like the others.

[Macca]

www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7ouLo7ESs7wggmvOazw58_h0_qZJeiAT
Here Is a Playlist Featuring Michael Jackson's Unreleased Songs

[IhateMana]

i have skimmed that playlist before and most of those songs are actually that impersonator from the Michael album

[wwefan]

Is it true that he hit a c7 on I Bet You?

[IhateMana]

isn't that a Jackson 5 song? If so, we try to only count notes from when the singer has their fully developed post-pubescent voice. I've used The Jackson's debut as my cut off point, as this seems like a fair enough place as any as he'd have been 18 or just about, during the recording of that album. I've heard shouts (one person) for me to do Forever, Michael, but it's whatever.

[sophiam122]

Michael Jackson was a smaller Tenore Lirico who brightened and modified a lot. His passaggio were D4 and G4.

[kaji]

Lol.

[sophiam122]

That’s the truth, Kaji. He’s also a bigger Tenore Lirico-Leggero or a smaller Tenore Lirico. But he modified his voice a lot.