Prince (41,415 views)

[Macca]

For anyone wanting to know here's the album range of the unreleased Black Album (1987):
C2 - G♯5 - E♭6

[IhateMana]

it's all I've ever wanted to know, thank you

[Baronessa]

0 days since schizoposting on the Prince thread.

[Homelander]

Jul 26, 2024 14:06:58 GMT Steingrim said:

Jul 26, 2024 6:45:01 GMT Homelander said:

Barry Gibb struggles with G4s in the exact same way (if not worse), yet he is pretty much universally agreed to be a tenor (at least by this forum). As challenging as those G4s are, plenty of tenors struggle with that note, especially doing it in what's basically pure chest voice like Price is doing in that recording.

Some tenors are likely to struggle with a G4 because it's in the secondo passaggio area, which may be an entirely different problem. But ref the recent discussion here about voice types in terms of tessitura and brightness. The Gibbs all sound very bright, at any pitch. Which may lead people to think of them all as tenors, but they may not all be that.

Yeah, I wouldn't say Barry and Maurice had particularly bright voices. Robin definitely, and you could definitely make the argument for Andy too. But Barry's voice wasn't all that bright. It wasn't very low either, but it sounded quite heavy. People often get fooled into thinking he has a higher voice by his tendency to use his falsetto register.

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{Barry Examples}

Perhaps Prince just had a stronger lower register than Barry and is still a tenor with a similar placement (which is possible, because Barry had a pretty weak lower register in general).

[Steingrim]

Is it possible that Barry Gibb was a somewhat pushed up singer, which suited the style of the Bee Gees? His bolded chest F#2 isn't the worst that I've heard. I don't think Prince was, his melody lines often suit his placement when he happens to sing in chest voice. Raspberry Beret for instance.

[Yojojo]

Ok, I didn't want to have to admit this, but...

In the late 90s, I worked as a bartender in Basingstoke. One night, in strolled this familiar looking gent with a lot of chest hair. I couldn't quite clock him, but then I suddenly, it struck me. "Good heavens, you're Barry Gibb!" I cried. Bazza was like "yeah yeah alright keep your voice down mate" and I complied. He ordered a whiskey on the rocks, and I apologised to Mr. Gibb that I would have to check his ID. I informed him that it was nothing personal, just the pub landlord was a right bellend who would fire me if I didn't enforce his bogus policies, even on global superstars. To his credit, he complied with nothing more than an eyeroll. Nice bloke. I read his ID, and I noticed something. His full name was actually "Baritenor Gibb", Barry being a shortened version. I had a good poker face when checking his ID, but that's how I knew Barry Gibb was the Earth Angel Baritenor, summoned from heaven to fight evil... or something like that? I don't know.

So all in all, Prince is a bass and Barry Gibb is the Earth Angel Baritenor. Now we can stop this ouroboros headass debate and hype up Macca's A1 or whatever we do when we're not doing this.

[VocalDudeGuy]

Barrytone Gibb

[sophiam122]

Prince was actually a regular tenor despite overbrightening, making it sounding much brighter than it actually was. His secondo break was around F#4/G4.

[Yojojo]

Aug 8, 2024 14:46:05 GMT sophiam122 said:

Prince was actually a regular tenor despite overbrightening, making it sounding much brighter than it actually was. His secondo break was around F#4/G4.

Jul 27, 2024 16:41:54 GMT Yojojo said:

Ok, I didn't want to have to admit this, but...

In the late 90s, I worked as a bartender in Basingstoke. One night, in strolled this familiar looking gent with a lot of chest hair. I couldn't quite clock him, but then I suddenly, it struck me. "Good heavens, you're Barry Gibb!" I cried. Bazza was like "yeah yeah alright keep your voice down mate" and I complied. He ordered a whiskey on the rocks, and I apologised to Mr. Gibb that I would have to check his ID. I informed him that it was nothing personal, just the pub landlord was a right bellend who would fire me if I didn't enforce his bogus policies, even on global superstars. To his credit, he complied with nothing more than an eyeroll. Nice bloke. I read his ID, and I noticed something. His full name was actually "Baritenor Gibb", Barry being a shortened version. I had a good poker face when checking his ID, but that's how I knew Barry Gibb was the Earth Angel Baritenor, summoned from heaven to fight evil... or something like that? I don't know.

So all in all, Prince is a bass and Barry Gibb is the Earth Angel Baritenor. Now we can stop this ouroboros headass debate and hype up Macca's A1 or whatever we do when we're not doing this.

Did you seriously not listen to a word I said

[mushymarionette]

I've never read the discussion happening in the Prince thread before...

and after this I guess I won't for a while, my head hurts

[mushymarionette]

Jul 27, 2024 0:42:18 GMT Homelander said:

Jul 26, 2024 14:06:58 GMT Steingrim said:

Some tenors are likely to struggle with a G4 because it's in the secondo passaggio area, which may be an entirely different problem. But ref the recent discussion here about voice types in terms of tessitura and brightness. The Gibbs all sound very bright, at any pitch. Which may lead people to think of them all as tenors, but they may not all be that.

Yeah, I wouldn't say Barry and Maurice had particularly bright voices. Robin definitely, and you could definitely make the argument for Andy too. But Barry's voice wasn't all that bright. It wasn't very low either, but it sounded quite heavy. People often get fooled into thinking he has a higher voice by his tendency to use his falsetto register.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Barry Examples}

Perhaps Prince just had a stronger lower register than Barry and is still a tenor with a similar placement (which is possible, because Barry had a pretty weak lower register in general).

It's incredible, the amount of effort put into being so wrong, impressive energy

[Steingrim]

Aug 8, 2024 14:46:05 GMT sophiam122 said:

Prince was actually a regular tenor despite overbrightening, making it sounding much brighter than it actually was. His secondo break was around F#4/G4.

That would translate to easy A4s and higher in chest voice. No tricks or screams. Do you have an example of that?

[mushymarionette]

This is the type of brainrot where we shouldn't even engage further, frankly. Prince's "secondo break being around F#4/G4" is such a false statement in every way, that's starting to approach the higher tenor area and makes all this discussion a waste of time because we're steering so far away from factuality of any kind, somebody change the topic fast

[Seb]

Purple range

[Steingrim]

Aug 9, 2024 14:36:47 GMT mushymarionette said:

This is the type of brainrot where we shouldn't even engage further, frankly. Prince's "secondo break being around F#4/G4" is such a false statement in every way, that's starting to approach the higher tenor area and makes all this discussion a waste of time because we're steering so far away from factuality of any kind, somebody change the topic fast

Sophiam currently lists their favorite singer as Prince so maybe they can substantiate that claim, and then it would be more factual.

[mushymarionette]

Prince, nice singer with a nice purple voice

[mushymarionette]

Aug 9, 2024 15:18:48 GMT Steingrim said:

Aug 9, 2024 14:36:47 GMT mushymarionette said:

This is the type of brainrot where we shouldn't even engage further, frankly. Prince's "secondo break being around F#4/G4" is such a false statement in every way, that's starting to approach the higher tenor area and makes all this discussion a waste of time because we're steering so far away from factuality of any kind, somebody change the topic fast

Sophiam currently lists their favorite singer as Prince so maybe they can substantiate that claim, and then it would be more factual.

Nobody cares, let's move on

[mushymarionette]

Aug 9, 2024 14:45:28 GMT Seb said:

Purple range

puuuurple range, puuuuurple range

[Steingrim]

Aug 9, 2024 15:19:27 GMT mushymarionette said:

Aug 9, 2024 15:18:48 GMT Steingrim said:

Sophiam currently lists their favorite singer as Prince so maybe they can substantiate that claim, and then it would be more factual.

Nobody cares, let's move on

Sophiam does that a lot, "that singer has secondo passaggio at X#". I don't know if there is some encyclopedia involved in that or if it's the poster's own opinion.

[Yojojo]

Aug 9, 2024 15:23:04 GMT Steingrim said:

Aug 9, 2024 15:19:27 GMT mushymarionette said:

Nobody cares, let's move on

Sophiam does that a lot, "that singer has secondo passaggio at X#". I don't know if there is some encyclopedia involved in that or if it's the poster's own opinion.

More than likely this poster is just trying to grab someone's attention, it's for the best to not give them the time of day

[mushymarionette]

Aug 9, 2024 15:23:04 GMT Steingrim said:

Aug 9, 2024 15:19:27 GMT mushymarionette said:

Nobody cares, let's move on

Sophiam does that a lot, "that singer has secondo passaggio at X#". I don't know if there is some encyclopedia involved in that or if it's the poster's own opinion.

Every subject online is bound to attract a village idiot type or someone who confidently preaches absolute falsehoods while nobody else agrees. Nobody here agrees with Sophiam or will ever be convinced otherwise, end of discussion. If there's further contention, I recommend those who support Sophiam's viewpoint to start an alternative forum where they offer alternative viewpoints to this forum, this is the type of discussion that was relevant about a decade ago in the legacy TRP

[Homelander]

Could we bold these G4s?

[Baronessa]

Sure, probably.