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Post by Steingrim on Jul 4, 2023 7:04:02 GMT
The clip from 1985 and the clip from 2000 are the exact same concert, with the same drummer looking exactly the same. I agree that her voice seems to have lowered somewhat from 1985 to the clip from 2004, apart from the distortion in the latter clip. The clip from 2022 doesn't tell me anything, except that she is extremely good at churning out low fry notes. What is the lowest chest note that you can find from her ? In the following vocal range video I found a chest Bb2 : youtu.be/eCv2OWsVS2U?t=275 And then a C3 at about 5:10. Which suggests that her voice has lowered to something like a low mezzo. But then - what was her chest voice capable of in the 80s ? Which brings up the following question. How does one classify the voices of Ivan Rebroff's female counterparts ? Let's say that someone can sing a reasonable A2 in chest voice and then an F6 in head voice, what voice type would that be ? I'm under the impression that males are classified according to chest voice placement but females are as likely to be classified according to head voice placement. The example above is likely to be quite capable of keeping up with a soprano's expected range, switching registers as high as C5 and then singing a decent C6 shouldn't be a problem for most. The answer is the same for both. The singer is not to be classified by the notes they can hit but by the overall tessitura (given the CONTEXT) and the density of the instrument. Paul Robeson is a bass not because he sings a lot around the second octave and can sing down to a low C. He is one because the centre of the voice lies in the bass tessitura in the coordination he is singing. Different voice types will have different 'zones' given the approach and style and genre. It's a quite complex topic and one that is easily confused. This is still a lower mezzo-soprano despite singing in belt and mixed voice around the upper fifth octave comfortably - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfHUNU7Qaaw&t=53s This is still a higher soprano (albeit mature) despite the comfortable low third octave - youtu.be/-VDPcS5XVCM?t=30This is still a contralto despite singing comfortably above the primo and secondo (chest) passagio all the time - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ogF_gtJLzMSamara Joy is still a PURE soprano (meaning both the voice type and approach) despite the very rich and mellow timbre - www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tcOlIehUE This same thing applies for Sarah Vaughan as well (although her voice did actually lowered over the years) Adam Didur is still a basso-cantante (or a bass-baritone) despite having a comfortable high A4 in covered chest voice (at the end) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNiVnptj8j0Michael Spyres is still a tenor despite having a fairly usable low C to low F - youtu.be/X5fn_NHoKFE?t=1767 youtu.be/ScMkcxZlZm0?t=763Classifying a voice takes time and paying attention to very small things and range is not the thing that you should typically look at first, nor the range they primarily sing in (if that were the case most of early pop singers would be baritones and contraltos). Mary Martin and Adam Didur are very impressive. Do you have an example of Michael Spyres actually singing below G2, not just trying hard to make sounds down there ? I found something here. He descends from a B4 through a G#2/F#2 trill down to an E2. He seems to take a tiny pause to change registers for the E2 and subsequent A2 and then back to chest voice again for the next A2. The tuning is A4=432 Hz, so all the notes are slightly flat. youtu.be/ScMkcxZlZm0?t=752 |
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Post by bassmanmatteo on Dec 17, 2023 9:41:14 GMT
The clip from 1985 and the clip from 2000 are the exact same concert, with the same drummer looking exactly the same. I agree that her voice seems to have lowered somewhat from 1985 to the clip from 2004, apart from the distortion in the latter clip. The clip from 2022 doesn't tell me anything, except that she is extremely good at churning out low fry notes. What is the lowest chest note that you can find from her ? In the following vocal range video I found a chest Bb2 : youtu.be/eCv2OWsVS2U?t=275 And then a C3 at about 5:10. Which suggests that her voice has lowered to something like a low mezzo. But then - what was her chest voice capable of in the 80s ? Which brings up the following question. How does one classify the voices of Ivan Rebroff's female counterparts ? Let's say that someone can sing a reasonable A2 in chest voice and then an F6 in head voice, what voice type would that be ? I'm under the impression that males are classified according to chest voice placement but females are as likely to be classified according to head voice placement. The example above is likely to be quite capable of keeping up with a soprano's expected range, switching registers as high as C5 and then singing a decent C6 shouldn't be a problem for most. The answer is the same for both. The singer is not to be classified by the notes they can hit but by the overall tessitura (given the CONTEXT) and the density of the instrument. Paul Robeson is a bass not because he sings a lot around the second octave and can sing down to a low C. He is one because the centre of the voice lies in the bass tessitura in the coordination he is singing. Different voice types will have different 'zones' given the approach and style and genre. It's a quite complex topic and one that is easily confused. This is still a lower mezzo-soprano despite singing in belt and mixed voice around the upper fifth octave comfortably - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfHUNU7Qaaw&t=53s This is still a higher soprano (albeit mature) despite the comfortable low third octave - youtu.be/-VDPcS5XVCM?t=30This is still a contralto despite singing comfortably above the primo and secondo (chest) passagio all the time - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ogF_gtJLzMSamara Joy is still a PURE soprano (meaning both the voice type and approach) despite the very rich and mellow timbre - www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tcOlIehUE This same thing applies for Sarah Vaughan as well (although her voice did actually lowered over the years) Adam Didur is still a basso-cantante (or a bass-baritone) despite having a comfortable high A4 in covered chest voice (at the end) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNiVnptj8j0Michael Spyres is still a tenor despite having a fairly usable low C to low F - youtu.be/X5fn_NHoKFE?t=1767 youtu.be/ScMkcxZlZm0?t=763Classifying a voice takes time and paying attention to very small things and range is not the thing that you should typically look at first, nor the range they primarily sing in (if that were the case most of early pop singers would be baritones and contraltos). What’s the timestamp of Spyres’ C2? |
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Post by Yojojo on Feb 4, 2024 21:30:07 GMT
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