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Post by rob on Sept 27, 2021 1:24:00 GMT
Hopefully someone will take over this thread so it can be properly updated. Also, I still think that this F#6 at 3:30 is solid enough to be countable. youtu.be/J89lYKg0nHYBut I realise that's not exactly a popular opinion lol. Probably for a reason. Yeah, all the wrong reasons. (Jk) Seriously though, it's certainly one of Freddie's stronger 6th octave notes, at least compared to the other questionable notes in the thread. The fact some people I've met try and count the F#6 from Liverpool in 79 just confuse me. |
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Post by rob on Sept 27, 2021 14:35:41 GMT
Hopefully someone will take over this thread so it can be properly updated. Also, I still think that this F#6 at 3:30 is solid enough to be countable. youtu.be/J89lYKg0nHYBut I realise that's not exactly a popular opinion lol. Now that I'm an advisor I'm planning on making some long-overdue updates to this thread sometime in the near future, which will include adding various notes that have been brought up on the last few pages. No guarantees that this one will make the cut though - which, by the way, is actually an F6; not an F♯6. That's awesome to hear! I'm looking forward to seeing your update. And thanks for the correction about the F6, everywhere I've seen it listed has people place it as F#6, so I just tend to assume people were right, but cool to know that. |
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Post by apollo on Sept 29, 2021 14:49:08 GMT
I wish I could say I enjoyed this thread , but I am am leaving more confused than at the start ??? was D6 Freddys highest note ? and which notes can one count as part of ones range ??? It's really a matter of opinion. Freddie has certainly hit higher notes than a D6. But a lot of those notes were rather brief, so a lot of people tend not to count them. For overall range, it's more tough, some people will say that you must have a certain level of quality to every note in order to count it, others might say you just need to hit it. Using Freddie as an example, he's hit an A6, under the questionable notes section, but it was a popped note. So most don't count it, unless we're talking about all notes a singer has technically hit, not necessarily what they're most comfortable hitting. That's how I feel at least. I can understand not counting the A6. However, I have noticed that there is a far bigger discussion around the quality of Freddie Mercury's notes then most other singers on this forum. It is obviously a popular topic. The problem is that there are singers where notes are being counted with far worse quality, but because there is no one to debate these notes it is simply counted. Freddie Mercury's discussion is one of the more popular topics, thus people are being far more dogmatic with the quality of his notes compared with some other singers. Here is the F6 note from Liverpool, it is very easy to detect this note on a note recognition program:   Of course note detection programs are not perfect, but they have come a long way, and they don't have any bias (I am not saying that anyone is showing overt bias, but people have their own unconscious biases, influences and ideas). I have seen shorter notes of worse quality being counted for other singers. You can also easily detect the E6 note in It's Late with a note recognition program. You cannot detect the A6 on a note recognition program. |
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 29, 2021 15:09:16 GMT
It's really a matter of opinion. Freddie has certainly hit higher notes than a D6. But a lot of those notes were rather brief, so a lot of people tend not to count them. For overall range, it's more tough, some people will say that you must have a certain level of quality to every note in order to count it, others might say you just need to hit it. Using Freddie as an example, he's hit an A6, under the questionable notes section, but it was a popped note. So most don't count it, unless we're talking about all notes a singer has technically hit, not necessarily what they're most comfortable hitting. That's how I feel at least. I can understand not counting the A6. However, I have noticed that there is a far bigger discussion around the quality of Freddie Mercury's notes then most other singers on this forum. It is obviously a popular topic. The problem is that there are singers where notes are being counted with far worse quality, but because there is no one to debate these notes it is simply counted. Freddie Mercury's discussion is one of the more popular topics, thus people are being far more dogmatic with the quality of his notes compared with some other singers. Here is the F6 note from Liverpool, it is very easy to detect this note on a note recognition program: Of course note detection programs are not perfect, but they have come a long way, and they don't have any bias (I am not saying that anyone is showing overt bias, but people have their own unconscious biases, influences and ideas). I have seen shorter notes of worse quality being counted for other singers. You can also easily detect the E6 note in It's Late with a note recognition program. You cannot detect the A6 on a note recognition program. I think the issue here is not bias as much as it is trust. Freddie is just not the most trustworthy singer, specifically when it comes to live notes. After all, we are talking about the same person who notoriously avoided even the easiest of falsettos in songs like “Bohemian Rhapsody”. Considering that, it’s not a stretch to question the veracity of his sixth-octave notes. I don’t doubt he could be doing any of those notes, but the skepticism towards his highs is definitely warranted; plus, all we have are poor quality recordings of questionable highs. If any of these notes were high quality, it would be different. |
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Post by rob on Sept 29, 2021 19:07:33 GMT
I really don't think using Freddie dodging falsetto notes in Bohemian Rhapsody a good reason to not consider him a trustworthy singer. The guy had vocal nodules, his falsetto was very difficult for him to use live, and only really started using it again a lot during the 80's. Also, he may have dodged the notes in falsetto, but there are plenty of examples of him singing the notes in chest voice, which is more difficult. I agree though that the quality of audio really doesn't help the overall problem. I'm dubious on lots of notes people will mention in YouTube comments cause they tend to sound like effects or guitar.
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 29, 2021 21:35:21 GMT
I really don't think using Freddie dodging falsetto notes in Bohemian Rhapsody a good reason to not consider him a trustworthy singer. The guy had vocal nodules, his falsetto was very difficult for him to use live, and only really started using it again a lot during the 80's. Also, he may have dodged the notes in falsetto, but there are plenty of examples of him singing the notes in chest voice, which is more difficult. I agree though that the quality of audio really doesn't help the overall problem. I'm dubious on lots of notes people will mention in YouTube comments cause they tend to sound like effects or guitar. He definitely didn’t have vocal nodules in 1975 and he was dodging notes even at that time. It’s clear that Freddie had clear disdain for falsetto in live settings which is why his extreme highs are questionable. As we agreed though, the quality is absolutely a huge issue. Most of the recordings where these highs take place are bad quality at best, which is also somewhat “convenient”. It’s beyond coincidental that Freddie’s highest notes come in terrible quality performances where they can’t be verified or disproven. |
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Post by rob on Sept 29, 2021 23:14:59 GMT
I really don't think using Freddie dodging falsetto notes in Bohemian Rhapsody a good reason to not consider him a trustworthy singer. The guy had vocal nodules, his falsetto was very difficult for him to use live, and only really started using it again a lot during the 80's. Also, he may have dodged the notes in falsetto, but there are plenty of examples of him singing the notes in chest voice, which is more difficult. I agree though that the quality of audio really doesn't help the overall problem. I'm dubious on lots of notes people will mention in YouTube comments cause they tend to sound like effects or guitar. He definitely didn’t have vocal nodules in 1975 and he was dodging notes even at that time. It’s clear that Freddie had clear disdain for falsetto in live settings which is why his extreme highs are questionable. As we agreed though, the quality is absolutely a huge issue. Most of the recordings where these highs take place are bad quality at best, which is also somewhat “convenient”. It’s beyond coincidental that Freddie’s highest notes come in terrible quality performances where they can’t be verified or disproven. You can literally look it up, first result I found was that Freddie was diagnosed with vocal nodules in February of 1975. He would only use falsetto when he felt he was having a really good night. For an earlier example of high falsetto use, look at the Bb5 in See What a Fool I've Been live at London in 1973. Or if you want a much later example of high falsetto and clear audio, just look at the Eb6 from an Impromptu at Sun City. |
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 30, 2021 0:46:23 GMT
He definitely didn’t have vocal nodules in 1975 and he was dodging notes even at that time. It’s clear that Freddie had clear disdain for falsetto in live settings which is why his extreme highs are questionable. As we agreed though, the quality is absolutely a huge issue. Most of the recordings where these highs take place are bad quality at best, which is also somewhat “convenient”. It’s beyond coincidental that Freddie’s highest notes come in terrible quality performances where they can’t be verified or disproven. You can literally look it up, first result I found was that Freddie was diagnosed with vocal nodules in February of 1975. He would only use falsetto when he felt he was having a really good night. For an earlier example of high falsetto use, look at the Bb5 in See What a Fool I've Been live at London in 1973. Or if you want a much later example of high falsetto and clear audio, just look at the Eb6 from an Impromptu at Sun City. I see that. Interesting. My bad then. It's actually nice to know as it explains his inability to do those notes comfortably. |
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Post by rob on Sept 30, 2021 1:15:09 GMT
For what it's worth, him having had vocal nodules isn't super well known unless you specifically search it out, so it's perfectly understandable.
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Post by innuendo on Oct 26, 2021 13:30:46 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I would like to share some of my opinions:
- I would add Freddie's C#5 in Scandal (maybe even bold) and Freddie's D6 in Get Down Make Love in Edinburgh 1982 (by far his best D6)
- what time are E5 in Party and F#5 in Love Is The Hero?
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Post by rob on Oct 26, 2021 19:48:11 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I would like to share some of my opinions: - I would add Freddie's C#5 in Scandal (maybe even bold) and Freddie's D6 in Get Down Make Love in Edinburgh 1982 (by far his best D6) - what time are E5 in Party and F#5 in Love Is The Hero? The F#5 is in the background of the song, I can't pull up an exact time stamp for you right this moment, but I think it's somewhere around 2 minutes in? |
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Post by halloweenjack95 on Oct 27, 2021 4:07:59 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I would like to share some of my opinions: - I would add Freddie's C#5 in Scandal (maybe even bold) and Freddie's D6 in Get Down Make Love in Edinburgh 1982 (by far his best D6) - what time are E5 in Party and F#5 in Love Is The Hero? I don't know why so many want this D6 to be included. He has way better 6th Octave notes which completely get ignored |
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Post by innuendo on Oct 27, 2021 5:25:12 GMT
Well, in my opinion, as I wrote, this is Freddie's best D6: it's sustained for about 3/4 seconds and it isn't a poor quality Whistle scream like Get Down Make Love Ab6 in Leeds.
This is also better than Save Me, which is included here, so I think this should be too.
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Post by rob on Oct 27, 2021 14:38:37 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I would like to share some of my opinions: - I would add Freddie's C#5 in Scandal (maybe even bold) and Freddie's D6 in Get Down Make Love in Edinburgh 1982 (by far his best D6) - what time are E5 in Party and F#5 in Love Is The Hero? I don't know why so many want this D6 to be included. He has way better 6th Octave notes which completely get ignored This thread will hopefully be getting updated at some point soon, just getting some stuff worked out to my understanding. |
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Post by innuendo on Oct 29, 2021 19:45:05 GMT
Hi guys, what do you think about this version of Barcelona? It's an interesting performance with good A4, Bb4, maybe C5 (all in full voice) and maybe even a Ab5/A5 (in falsetto).In my opinion this is one of Freddie's best vocal performances ever. youtu.be/MJ8Yvlw3h68 |
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2021 1:03:21 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty new here, but I would like to share some of my opinions: - I would add Freddie's C#5 in Scandal (maybe even bold) and Freddie's D6 in Get Down Make Love in Edinburgh 1982 (by far his best D6) - what time are E5 in Party and F#5 in Love Is The Hero? I don't know why so many want this D6 to be included. He has way better 6th Octave notes which completely get ignored If you don't mind me asking, what other 6th octave notes do you think should be included? youtu.be/Y2ch5c5Q__YAt 4:35 there's an E6 that sounds really solid, but I can't figure out if it's a guitar, effect, or actually Freddie or more likely Roger. Any thoughts? |
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Post by Captain Planet on Nov 2, 2021 15:51:35 GMT
youtu.be/Y2ch5c5Q__YAt 4:35 there's an E6 that sounds really solid, but I can't figure out if it's a guitar, effect, or actually Freddie or more likely Roger. Any thoughts? guitar |
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2021 16:38:24 GMT
Yeah, that's what I figured, thank you!
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Post by innuendo on Nov 2, 2021 18:35:25 GMT
What about this strange Bb6/B6 at 2:42? That seems Freddie and it's quite strong. That could be added at least in questionable notes. youtu.be/iFFOoVcCjFQ |
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2021 18:48:49 GMT
What about this strange Bb6/B6 at 2:42? That seems Freddie and it's quite strong. That could be added at least in questionable notes. youtu.be/iFFOoVcCjFQThose sorts of strange fry screams I always find difficult to pitch or figure out. If it's Freddie then I would say it's not countable, but definitely should go under the questionable notes category. Out of curiosity, how do you go about pitching those strange screams? |
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Post by innuendo on Nov 3, 2021 6:27:02 GMT
Well, on a pitching app this note is quite easy to detect (I think for the recording's good quality). Anyway, I agree with you to add this note under questionable notes.
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