Hayley Williams (51,461 views)

[Zedd Squared]

For future reference, questions like that are best asked via direct messages to a moderator or in a thread that is specifically about formatting (such as this one). Singer threads aren't the place to go in depth about coding.

[overtook]

May 13, 2020 14:44:56 GMT Zedd Squared said:

For future reference, questions like that are best asked via direct messages to a moderator or in a thread that is specifically about formatting (such as this one). Singer threads aren't the place to go in depth about coding.

Thank you

[overtook]

youtu.be/D7m3sFCFdX8?t=6    found how to link videos heres the alleged D6 i kinda hear it but i doubt she hit a D6 it sudden desire

[overtook]

heres the Bb6 youtu.be/rKuNf2c30NQ?t=303, and the C3 in simmer youtu.be/o0iZonULftY?t=22, 

[jaredletoisbackagain]

Literally keep on doing it.

Press the little wheel on your post and click "edit post" and you can add to the comment you've already made

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

Huh I could actually consider that B♭6 worth counting

[overtook]

May 13, 2020 19:10:49 GMT Hennessy Macklemore III said:

Huh I could actually consider that B♭6 worth counting

Me too not sure if the owner of the thread would though, and whats your opinion on the C3 in simmer, that she might've hit

[Alex61]

(Psst, you don't need to quote posts directly above yours :P )

I'm personally leaning towards not counting the note because there's no musical context there (as it's just a random squeal) and her intent is rather questionable (I doubt she was deliberately going for a B♭6 there). From what I gather my thread co-creator galaxyseal doesn't consider it worth counting either but if enough people do I'll be willing to think on it.

[overtook]

oh ok alex61 i personally would count it buts its your thread, and hayley also hits lots of G#5's here youtu.be/YIlFpK_fMTE?t=765, and also a somewhat sustained Eb6 here youtu.be/YIlFpK_fMTE?t=962, and another somewhat sustained E6 here youtu.be/YIlFpK_fMTE?t=965

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

May 13, 2020 19:23:04 GMT overtook said:

May 13, 2020 19:10:49 GMT Hennessy Macklemore III said:

Huh I could actually consider that B♭6 worth counting

Me too not sure if the owner of the thread would though, and whats your opinion on the C3 in simmer, that she might've hit

Not hearing anything below E3 there.

May 13, 2020 19:59:46 GMT Alex61 said:

(Psst, you don't need to quote posts directly above yours )

I'm personally leaning towards not counting the note because there's no musical context there (as it's just a random squeal) and her intent is rather questionable (I doubt she was deliberately going for a B♭6 there). From what I gather my thread co-creator galaxyseal doesn't consider it worth counting either but if enough people do I'll be willing to think on it.

I just see it as a regular instance of a singer doing something to demonstrate pitch in an interview - in this case she was talking about how high a certain song is for her to sing, so she hit a B♭6 as an exaggerated demonstration of what it's like for her singing that song. She may have not necessarily been aiming for B♭6 as a specific pitch (kinda hard to do that when there's no music to guide you, unless you have perfect pitch), but she clearly was making a deliberate point to hit a very high note to illustrate her point.

[overtook]

I see as the same way too henny, and for that C3 it's very brief, and sounds like a questionable note to me since is a short dip in her range

[jaredletoisbackagain]

How is there no musical context? She's talking about singing high notes and then demonstrates with a high note. There doesn't have to be instruments for a note to be musical.

I also think it's a bit silly to start discussing what pitch a singer intended to hit unless context veeery clearly suggests otherwise. If someone asked her how high she could sing and she said "I dunno, let's see" and then did that, would it not be counted on the basis that she didn't know beforehand that she'd be hitting a Bb6?

[overtook]

exactly jared And the note was also sustained , which is also why i would count it and she hit that right on pitch too according to my tuner

[thatsnotcool33]

Please. Stop. Spamming. If we're on the topic of the B♭6, I think it should be (somewhat) countable. It didn't sound squeezed and it wasn't super short. As for context, she was referring to how high something is, so she probably meant to hit something high. Lastly, dude just edit your comments, it takes up so much room for you to comment two sentences. Stop.

[Baronessa]

Somehow I feel as though people would be more skeptical of its inclusion if it actually were in a song context.

[thatsnotcool33]

For some actual notes, Leave It Alone has a D3 run in the third verse. There's a G3 in the first verse, "The ones I love are dyin'," and they're also harmonized in the first chorus.

Link to D3
youtu.be/t3WJjuG1yNQ?t=210

Edit: Thought you didn't include leave it alone. My bad.

[glo]

This is the B♭6: youtu.be/ARLXxGCpYJs

Edit: whoops it’s already been posted

[Alex61]

To conclude this saga, I shall add the note to the QN spoiler, but if anyone knows the date/location of the interview that would be greatly appreciated :P

[jaredletoisbackagain]

May 15, 2020 14:09:35 GMT Alex61 said:

To conclude this saga, I shall add the note to the QN spoiler, but if anyone knows the date/location of the interview that would be greatly appreciated :P

youtu.be/N-qvUqPkL1g

Here you go

[Hennessy Macklemore III]

May 13, 2020 20:27:05 GMT jaredletoisbackagain said:

I also think it's a bit silly to start discussing what pitch a singer intended to hit unless context veeery clearly suggests otherwise. If someone asked her how high she could sing and she said "I dunno, let's see" and then did that, would it not be counted on the basis that she didn't know beforehand that she'd be hitting a Bb6?

Just saw this edit.  I'd like to hear a good rebuttal to this argument, because this pretty much sums it all up for me.

[luxiouskorsay]

This is the claimed Bb6 and the full interview is here

edit: oh, already posted :C

[Baronessa]

May 15, 2020 18:05:31 GMT Hennessy Macklemore III said:

May 13, 2020 20:27:05 GMT jaredletoisbackagain said:

I also think it's a bit silly to start discussing what pitch a singer intended to hit unless context veeery clearly suggests otherwise. If someone asked her how high she could sing and she said "I dunno, let's see" and then did that, would it not be counted on the basis that she didn't know beforehand that she'd be hitting a Bb6?

Just saw this edit.  I'd like to hear a good rebuttal to this argument, because this pretty much sums it all up for me.

I mean maybe, if that was what happened, but it wasn't. Also, just in my personal opinion this note is very much not unlike an uncountable falsetto scoop.

[jaredletoisbackagain]

May 16, 2020 10:18:12 GMT Baronessa said:

I mean maybe, if that was what happened, but it wasn't. Also, just in my personal opinion this note is very much not unlike an uncountable falsetto scoop.

It doesn't have to be the literal same scenario for an argument to apply. The reason I make the comparison is because the argument was "I doubt she was deliberately going for a B♭6 there", which in that case would also include singers who intentionally try to demonstrate their range. I mean I get the argument if an artist for example cracks or misses a note, but that's not the case here. It's a singer wanting to demonstrate singing a high note, and then proceeds to do so.

[Baronessa]

Making up a scenario in which intent would be much clearer in order to make the premises follow is kind of begging the question, though, is it not? Like, of course if we introduce the fact that she'd be trying to sing her highest note, that would have to be taken into consideration (not that that'd make it immediately countable either), but that's not the kind of thing you'd know by watching the clip that does exist.

Listening to the note at face value, it reminds me of the kinds of non-melodic ad-libs that don't tend to hold water when they're asked about in a song context, even if it is on the slightly clearer side pitch-wise.

[jaredletoisbackagain]

Does the context "trying to hit a high note" really differ considerably from "trying to hit her highest note"? And again, I'm only using it as an example because it shows that the argument "we don't know if she intended to hit that specific note" is a bit silly.

And it's not like the intent here is unclear. It's pretty obvious from the context of what they're talking about.