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Post by IhateMana on May 16, 2020 13:10:03 GMT
the note is barely a Bb6, she falls off pitch almost immediately
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Post by Baronessa on May 16, 2020 15:01:35 GMT
Does the context "trying to hit a high note" really differ considerably from "trying to hit her highest note"? And again, I'm only using it as an example because it shows that the argument "we don't know if she intended to hit that specific note" is a bit silly. And it's not like the intent here is unclear. It's pretty obvious from the context of what they're talking about. I mean, to me, 'her highest note' does seem like it implies more intent than 'a high note', since there would presumably be only one of the former (depending on the point in her life I suppose). What I'm saying, though, is that there's really no reason to accept intent as the conclusive argument for counting the B♭6. It could play a part in the reasoning, sure, but even if that was her best, honest-to-god attempt at her highest note I doubt I'd be for counting it, because as a note it just isn't sustained or musical enough for me. |
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Post by Hennessy Macklemore III on May 17, 2020 22:36:20 GMT
the note is barely a Bb6, she falls off pitch almost immediately What are you hearing it "fall off pitch" onto then? I just relistened and I can't hear any pitch besides B♭6 there. Does the context "trying to hit a high note" really differ considerably from "trying to hit her highest note"? And again, I'm only using it as an example because it shows that the argument "we don't know if she intended to hit that specific note" is a bit silly. And it's not like the intent here is unclear. It's pretty obvious from the context of what they're talking about. I mean, to me, 'her highest note' does seem like it implies more intent than 'a high note', since there would presumably be only one of the former (depending on the point in her life I suppose). What I'm saying, though, is that there's really no reason to accept intent as the conclusive argument for counting the B♭6. It could play a part in the reasoning, sure, but even if that was her best, honest-to-god attempt at her highest note I doubt I'd be for counting it, because as a note it just isn't sustained or musical enough for me. I think you may be missing the point with the "highest note" statement. Let's try putting it this way instead - if someone in an interview asked her "hey Hayley, hit a high note for us" and she did that, would you not consider that intentional enough to be worth counting? Because that may as well have been what happened. Moreover, it's also probably worth mentioning that we've seen instances of stuff like this in interviews with other singers as well, and it seems like the rest of the time people have an easy enough time accepting them as intentional/countable. Another one would be Warrel Dane's lowest note, where he's telling the interviewer about how much he enjoys singing low and lowers his voice into the first octave to emphasize that. No one seems to question how "intentional" that is; so I don't understand why it's such a debate here. |
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Post by IhateMana on May 17, 2020 23:02:12 GMT
it doesn't fall off onto anuthing, it just keeps going down
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Post by IhateMana on May 18, 2020 0:49:12 GMT
i have to do that thing where a person has not reached the same conclusion as another
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Post by Baronessa on May 18, 2020 11:01:15 GMT
I mean, to me, 'her highest note' does seem like it implies more intent than 'a high note', since there would presumably be only one of the former (depending on the point in her life I suppose). What I'm saying, though, is that there's really no reason to accept intent as the conclusive argument for counting the B♭6. It could play a part in the reasoning, sure, but even if that was her best, honest-to-god attempt at her highest note I doubt I'd be for counting it, because as a note it just isn't sustained or musical enough for me. I think you may be missing the point with the "highest note" statement. Let's try putting it this way instead - if someone in an interview asked her "hey Hayley, hit a high note for us" and she did that, would you not consider that intentional enough to be worth counting? Because that may as well have been what happened. Moreover, it's also probably worth mentioning that we've seen instances of stuff like this in interviews with other singers as well, and it seems like the rest of the time people have an easy enough time accepting them as intentional/countable. Another one would be Warrel Dane's lowest note, where he's telling the interviewer about how much he enjoys singing low and lowers his voice into the first octave to emphasize that. No one seems to question how "intentional" that is; so I don't understand why it's such a debate here. I am not questioning Hayley's intent, though. You can intend a note and still hit it badly, which I'd argue may as well have been what happened. Would you not at least question the countability of a worse B♭6 even if the singer in question was like, "Nah, totally intended for that to happen"? I figure it's kind of on the same principle that we frown upon unmusical 'range showcases' in our own community, as well. Wow, that G1 is a lot worse than I remembered, too.  |
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Post by DaydreamingBaritone on Jul 22, 2020 18:25:06 GMT
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Post by luxiouskorsay on Jul 27, 2020 22:44:44 GMT
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Post by jaredletoisbackagain on Jul 28, 2020 7:19:38 GMT
You happen to know what song that is from? :P She sings the name of the song right after the note ;) Caught In The Middle |
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Post by Smitty. on Oct 3, 2020 19:34:47 GMT
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Post by luxiouskorsay on Dec 10, 2020 13:47:47 GMT
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Post by luxiouskorsay on Dec 25, 2020 18:18:05 GMT
I swear it's like every new song she releases has a D3 or a C#3 in it. C'mon Hayley just sing a bold-able C3 or B2 already! She doesn't do because of her Soprano Tessitura but she can do it definitely, in live performances too |
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Post by jaredletoisbackagain on Jan 29, 2021 8:29:33 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_WZ5hx1ls New song called "My Limb". Haven't even listened to the full thing but I just reacted to the lows of the verse (C#3s? and some growly stuff I figured I'd just leave at your doorstep to discuss).
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Post by luxiouskorsay on Jan 29, 2021 16:38:33 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_WZ5hx1ls New song called "My Limb". Haven't even listened to the full thing but I just reacted to the lows of the verse (C#3s? and some growly stuff I figured I'd just leave at your doorstep to discuss). |
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