John Lennon (70,002 views)

[Osmosis]

May 28, 2023 13:49:18 GMT hendrix94 said:

Mother G5s look genuine to me. Its shape is clearly intentional, just like the studio version. The note rises progressively until it reaches G5.It is a perfectly connected note. It holds up longer than many of the G5s in the thread, and I personally think that Mother's G5s are better and more consistent than most of the G5s featured in the thread.

It's one to take up with Baz. What I would say is if you're including the G5, I see no reason to exclude the D5 in IWSSH.

As for HIAWG, on second thoughts I think the note in question is close enough to C5 to warrant a listing. 

Also your reply about the G2s should really be edited into your other comment, just a heads up

[BAZanine]

I did some deliberation regarding the G5 with some users here and there was a fair bit of ambiguity regarding its countability. However, slightly more people thought it should be spoilered and so I did that. I do not think the D5 from "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is countable, either.

The B4s in "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" come from the "Mother Superior jumped the gun" section. They're probably best marked as underlined, however, which I have done. I don't think any bit of the song aside from where the D5 is reaches the 5th octave; I hear that "don'cha know that HAppiness" note as a B♭4, but one that's just overshot from A4 at that.

The G2 from "To Know Her Is to Love Her" is a G♯2, which is already in the thread.

And as mentioned, if you're going to be commenting multiple times within a short span of time, please just edit your original comment instead of bumping the thread a bunch of times. It keeps the thread looking clean.

[Macca]

May 28, 2023 17:57:44 GMT BAZanine said:

I did some deliberation regarding the G5 with some users here and there was a fair bit of ambiguity regarding its countability. However, slightly more people thought it should be spoilered and so I did that. I do not think the D5 from "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is countable, either.

The B4s in "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" come from the "Mother Superior jumped the gun" section. They're probably best marked as underlined, however, which I have done. I don't think any bit of the song aside from where the D5 is reaches the 5th octave; I hear that "don'cha know that HAppiness" note as a B♭4, but one that's just overshot from A4 at that.

The G2 from "To Know Her Is to Love Her" is a G♯2, which is already in the thread.

And as mentioned, if you're going to be commenting multiple times within a short span of time, please just edit your original comment instead of bumping the thread a bunch of times. It keeps the thread looking clean.

The B4s sound like Paul to me.

[BAZanine]

We had a discussion about that on TRP3 and I have to say, I strongly disagree.

[EddieCheivz]

Macca look at this cleaner version, it shows off with more clearity the high vocal line and confirmes is actually John. I thought it was Macca before too, but listening the voice isolated we can see it doesn't sound like Paul.

[hendrix94]

May 28, 2023 17:57:44 GMT BAZanine said:

I did some deliberation regarding the G5 with some users here and there was a fair bit of ambiguity regarding its countability. However, slightly more people thought it should be spoilered and so I did that. I do not think the D5 from "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is countable, either.

The B4s in "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" come from the "Mother Superior jumped the gun" section. They're probably best marked as underlined, however, which I have done. I don't think any bit of the song aside from where the D5 is reaches the 5th octave; I hear that "don'cha know that HAppiness" note as a B♭4, but one that's just overshot from A4 at that.

The G2 from "To Know Her Is to Love Her" is a G♯2, which is already in the thread.

And as mentioned, if you're going to be commenting multiple times within a short span of time, please just edit your original comment instead of bumping the thread a bunch of times. It keeps the thread looking clean.

DON'CHA KNOW THAT... is A4, HAppiness is C5.

I would like to know why, with the exception of i wanna be your man and the falsetto notes, those G5s are included in the thread and the ones from Mother and Come together are excluded. Why, for example, Cold Turkey's Bb5 is included and Mother's is excluded

[BAZanine]

Still do not hear that C5, and it doesn't seem like anyone else does as of yet.

Anyhow, again, there is a degree of ambiguity regarding the G5. However, some of us have been calling into question how much control he really has approaching the notes like that. it's not really a clear slide up so much as a kind of crackly rise into a note that he managed to hit on-pitch once throughout the entire performance, and even then it wasn't particularly stable. The B♭5 and most of his other black notes in that area, on the other hand, aren't really approached like that. You'll see the majority of them are marked as italic, and that's because they're just shrieked. They're not nearly as "cracked into" and they're all just kind of heady wails that exhibit reasonable enough control at the pitch.

[hendrix94]

May 29, 2023 23:41:55 GMT BAZanine said:

Still do not hear that C5, and it doesn't seem like anyone else does as of yet.

Anyhow, again, there is a degree of ambiguity regarding the G5. However, some of us have been calling into question how much control he really has approaching the notes like that. it's not really a clear slide up so much as a kind of crackly rise into a note that he managed to hit on-pitch once throughout the entire performance, and even then it wasn't particularly stable. The B♭5 and most of his other black notes in that area, on the other hand, aren't really approached like that. You'll see the majority of them are marked as italic, and that's because they're just shrieked. They're not nearly as "cracked into" and they're all just kind of heady wails that exhibit reasonable enough control at the pitch.

Well, I don't think we can agree. I just see the opposite here, it's a genuine and perfectly connected note. That is why it is replicated in both live versions and in most studio versions. Just compare it to the G5 from the School song in the Cobain thread. The note appears as genuine, and although I think it is, it is also clear that the note in question is not well connected, it breaks and jumps to the G5 unexpectedly during the passage. However, it appears in the thread, perhaps because it lasts a few seconds. Mother's note is the complete opposite. Lennon in the final screams gradually rises in tone and intensity, as in all the studio versions. He hit G5 twice towards the end, and immediately before those notes he had hit F5 twice. It's clearly intentional and done quite well. Replicate this G5 at the night show. Therefore, it hits the note several times during that concert, and not once.



In Happiness, you can see that the words ...don cha know... are in a certain key, it clearly looks like an A4, and then it goes up about two tones ...that HA..., that is, it's not the same note, is higher, is C5. But I will no longer speak on this matter.
On the other hand, what do you think of the G5 in the version of Come together at the evening show in new york?

[PerhapsXarb]

I thought that B4 in HIAWG was from "When I hold you in my arms, and I feel..."? Sounds like a clear B4, unless that passage is too speak-singy.

I also thought the thread's original C5 was from the long "guuuuuuuuun", but with the slide up to D5 I suppose it would be unnecessary. Can't vouch for the "dontcha know that hAppiness" C5 after, just sounds like a voice crack to me.

[hendrix94]

May 30, 2023 8:22:34 GMT PerhapsXarb said:

I thought that B4 in HIAWG was from "When I hold you in my arms, and I feel..."? Sounds like a clear B4, unless that passage is too speak-singy.

I also thought the thread's original C5 was from the long "guuuuuuuuun", but with the slide up to D5 I suppose it would be unnecessary. Can't vouch for the "dontcha know that hAppiness" C5 after, just
sounds like a voice crack to me.

I also think that passage is a clear B4. It is similar to Leave kitchen alone. I always thought it could be bold. The C5 sounds a bit broken, though I think legitimate.

[BAZanine]

Those B4s most definitely do exist, although I'd italicize them. As such I'd give the sung, obscured B4s from earlier in the song priority.

[Osmosis]

The G5 in "Come Together" seems countable though. There's a decent amount of sustain on the note and it seems intentional.

[hendrix94]

Where is the G5 in I'm Looking Through You?

[Macca]

John actually sings on a couple Stones songs:
We Love You & Sing This All Together

[hendrix94]

What happend with the G5 of Come together.

[BAZanine]

Sounds like more of an F♯5 to me, but I've counted it.

[hendrix94]

May 30, 2023 23:15:13 GMT hendrix94 said:

Where is the G5 in I'm Looking Through You?

[BAZanine]

Right, my apologies. It's right at the end of the Anthology 2 version.

[hendrix94]

Where are the G5s from I saw here standing there and You can t do that, because i can t find them.

[BAZanine]

Splendid question. I assume they were referring to the screams right before the solos in each respective song, but both notes sound like very unremarkable A5s to me. I've spoilered them.

[hendrix94]

There's a different falsetto G#5 than the studio version on one of the alternate versions of Don't let me down that appears on Let it be special edition.

[hendrix94]

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" [1], "John & Yoko [1]
Why are these notes not countable?

[Homelander]

Jun 16, 2023 15:10:42 GMT hendrix94 said:

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" [1], "John & Yoko [1]
Why are these notes not countable?

The criteria for questionable notes are not very good for this thread. They exclude perfectly fine notes like these, but they allow for random yelps and screams to be counted. I think it was little more than a cheap way to extend Lennon's range to be the same as McCartney's.

[BAZanine]

The "John & Yoko" D5 has no musical context and the "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" D5 is just as bad a note as it's ever been. I really do not get what you guys see in the latter note especially.

[hendrix94]

Jun 16, 2023 15:43:25 GMT BAZanine said:

The "John & Yoko" D5 has no musical context and the "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" D5 is just as bad a note as it's ever been. I really do not get what you guys see in the latter note especially.

I could have my reservations for IWYSSH, although I would include her as an accountant. But the D5 in John and Yoko is unquestionably, I'd say it's a bold note; It is obviously an avant-garde piece, but is that a parameter for it to be excluded? I don't believe it.