John Lennon (70,234 views)

[CT]

Jun 16, 2023 15:20:08 GMT Homelander said:

Jun 16, 2023 15:10:42 GMT hendrix94 said:

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" [1], "John & Yoko [1]
Why are these notes not countable?

The criteria for questionable notes are not very good for this thread. They exclude perfectly fine notes like these, but they allow for random yelps and screams to be counted. I think it was little more than a cheap way to extend Lennon's range to be the same as McCartney's.

wait until he sees Paul McCartney’s range

[BAZanine]

Jun 16, 2023 19:24:46 GMT hendrix94 said:

Jun 16, 2023 15:43:25 GMT BAZanine said:

The "John & Yoko" D5 has no musical context and the "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" D5 is just as bad a note as it's ever been. I really do not get what you guys see in the latter note especially.

I could have my reservations for IWYSSH, although I would include her as an accountant. But the D5 in John and Yoko is unquestionably, I'd say it's a bold note; It is obviously an avant-garde piece, but is that a parameter for it to be excluded? I don't believe it.

I mean, it's so "avant-garde" that it has no musical significance whatsoever. They're just talking (at times yelling) at each other for 22 minutes. There's no music to go along with it, nothing like that. And not much in the track is particularly "sung" to boot (aside from a falsetto C5 at the 20:00 mark which I guess is countable). If I counted that D5, though, there would be a lot of lasting implications for the countability of stuff like spoken-word records and other odd cases we stopped counting years ago. And even if it had musical context I would not bold it.

[hendrix94]

Jun 15, 2023 0:49:36 GMT hendrix94 said:

There's a different falsetto G#5 than the studio version on one of the alternate versions of Don't let me down that appears on Let it be special edition.

[BAZanine]

It'd be redundant for me to include that when it's already in the studio version.

[PerhapsXarb]

This is not in any way an amazing find but there is in fact a backing G4 at 2:26 on Strawberry Fields Forever (I don't think Paul sang on it, it appears to be on John's doubled vocal track)

Upon further inspection (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lUZvNljHU8&t=115s), it might have been a G#4 before tape manipulation, but such a small difference isn't too important

[hendrix94]

Jun 19, 2023 4:09:00 GMT BAZanine said:

It'd be redundant for me to include that when it's already in the studio version.

Yes, i think the same. Although it was the same note, the line was different.

[hendrix94]

Feb 15, 2022 21:30:18 GMT Osmosis said:

Feb 15, 2022 8:48:32 GMT Subterranean Homesick Ålien said:

Agreed. I do think the A4 from “Scared” is great … But, I think those A4s from “Money”, as well as the Bb4 & G#4s from “Mr. Moonlight”, and the Bb4 & G4s from “Leave My Kitten Alone”—are definitely “bold-worthy”(stronger than the A4 from “Scared”). I think John’s vocal on “Leave My Kitten Alone” is one of his very best. He absolutely KILLS IT after the Guitar solo—where he keeps hitting G4s and then goes up to a Bb4. John’s in my “Holy Trinity” of Singers along with Elvis and San Cooke—and his vocal on “Leave My Kitten Alone” is one of my favorites.

A guy on the first page of this thread also suggested that one of those notes should be bolded too. In the same ballpark deliverywise as "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", so I see a case for bolding one, probably the Bb4 as its the highest note in the phrase. "Mr Moonlight" Bb4 and "Money" A4 are definite bolds in my view though. I'm with you.

I agree the A4 from Money and the G4 and Bb4 from Leave my kitten alone are bold.

[hendrix94]

My suggestions for bold:
C#2 Good King Wenceslas Beatles Christmas Record 1963
G#4 Mr Moonlight
A4 HIAWG
A4 and C5 I'm the greatest demo
Bb4 Leave my kitten alone
B4 To Know Her Is to Love her
D5 HIAWG

[Homelander]

Jul 4, 2023 2:37:50 GMT hendrix94 said:

My suggestions for bold:
C#2 Good King Wenceslas Beatles Christmas Record 1963
G#4 Mr Moonlight
A4 HIAWG
A4 and C5 I'm the greatest demo
Bb4 Leave my kitten alone
B4 To Know Her Is to Love her
D5 HIAWG

I agree with these, especially the C-sharp 2 from "Good King Wencelaus".

[hendrix94]

Jul 5, 2023 17:19:45 GMT Homelander said:

Jul 4, 2023 2:37:50 GMT hendrix94 said:

My suggestions for bold:
C#2 Good King Wenceslas Beatles Christmas Record 1963
G#4 Mr Moonlight
A4 HIAWG
A4 and C5 I'm the greatest demo
Bb4 Leave my kitten alone
B4 To Know Her Is to Love her
D5 HIAWG

I agree with these, especially the C-sharp 2 from "Good King Wencelaus".

I remember that previously that C#2 was in bold, I don't know why they removed it.

[hendrix94]

Oct 27, 2019 1:05:52 GMT rebaru said:

glares at the I'm so tired C♯5 still being listed as a C5

Sounds like C#5 to me too.

[EddieCheivz]

Sept 30, 2019 1:15:36 GMT Holsety said:

C♯2 ("Beatles Christmas Record" 1966

I know Holsety actually has shared his reason for keep this before, but at least I'd like to open a discussion if that's necessary to point out these notes are pretty much non legit notes. Since there's 0% musical context on it and he's just reading a text.

-Magic candles Magic candles Magic candles-

[Osmosis]

Agreed, this has already been addressed, and on the first page of the thread no less.

[hendrix94]

I think Lennon's G5s on Mother are genuine.

[Macca]

Across the Universe is actually pitched down a semitone so the notes for the song would be D3, A4 & B♭4

[Macca]

C3s in this demo of If I Fell

[PerhapsXarb]

G4 in "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" (when he sings the line "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" )

[Homelander]

Sept 30, 2019 1:15:36 GMT Holsety said:

E♭2 ("Piggies")

Does anybody else think this note could be pitch-shifted? I really don't think Lennon (or any of The Beatles) would have such a strong lower register. It sounds very artificial to me.

[PerhapsXarb]

Nov 15, 2023 20:55:33 GMT Homelander said:

Sept 30, 2019 1:15:36 GMT Holsety said:

E♭2 ("Piggies")

Does anybody else think this note could be pitch-shifted? I really don't think Lennon (or any of The Beatles) would have such a strong lower register. It sounds very artificial to me.

It's theoretically possible but I doubt it; doesn't have that ogre-like tone one gets from pitch-shifting (which was MUCH more complicated back then, and the other harmonies are not shifted, which would make manipulating one tape very difficult). I have read some "Beatles scholars" claim that all the vocals there (including the Bb4 in the background, currently on Paul's thread) were George, which I think is plausible, but John could certainly have hit an Eb2 stronger than George (maybe Paul could have too, but it's obviously not him singing there lol). My favorite Beatles guy (Dave Rybaczewski at beatlesebooks.com) says that the harmony overdubs are the three of them, and furthermore that John was joking about being a "fabulous, fabulous vegetarian" in between takes (of course he did). I haven't heard that overdub session, and idk how he has access to such historical artifacts (I would fucking KILL I tell you ), but I have no reason to doubt him.

Speaking of George songs, the new remix of "Old Brown Shoe" reveals much more audible Lennon backing vocals during the guitar solo, including a pretty fantastic C5 at 1:37 (immediately followed by a G#5 that must be Paul). This also pretty much confirms to me that the A4 shout (just before the solo) on George's thread is actually John, but George hits a melodic A4 at 2:42. Jury's out on the E5s in the outro, but it sounds more like John than Paul to me.

[Macca]

Nov 16, 2023 0:02:11 GMT PerhapsXarb said:

Nov 15, 2023 20:55:33 GMT Homelander said:

Does anybody else think this note could be pitch-shifted? I really don't think Lennon (or any of The Beatles) would have such a strong lower register. It sounds very artificial to me.

It's theoretically possible but I doubt it; doesn't have that ogre-like tone one gets from pitch-shifting (which was MUCH more complicated back then, and the other harmonies are not shifted, which would make manipulating one tape very difficult). I have read some "Beatles scholars" claim that all the vocals there (including the Bb4 in the background, currently on Paul's thread) were George, which I think is plausible, but John could certainly have hit an Eb2 stronger than George (maybe Paul could have too, but it's obviously not him singing there lol). My favorite Beatles guy (Dave Rybaczewski at beatlesebooks.com) says that the harmony overdubs are the three of them, and furthermore that John was joking about being a "fabulous, fabulous vegetarian" in between takes (of course he did). I haven't heard that overdub session, and idk how he has access to such historical artifacts (I would fucking KILL I tell you ), but I have no reason to doubt him.

Speaking of George songs, the new remix of "Old Brown Shoe" reveals much more audible Lennon backing vocals during the guitar solo, including a pretty fantastic C5 at 1:37 (immediately followed by a G#5 that must be Paul). This also pretty much confirms to me that the A4 shout (just before the solo) on George's thread is actually John, but George hits a melodic A4 at 2:42. Jury's out on the E5s in the outro, but it sounds more like John than Paul to me.

Here's one of the Fabulous Vegetarian jokes John made but it seems like the tape speed runs a bit to slow so the E♭2 here seems like an E2

[Subterranean Homesick Ålien]

I think multiple G4s in “Dig a Pony” are good enough to be Bolded.
• The 1st+3rd “be-CAUSE”;
• The sustained + repeated ones throughout “ALL… I want”-to “Everything has got to be” …

I’ve always thought that’s one of John’s most underrated Vocals.

[rebaru]

LOVE this bloke i was all about oasis when growing up as you were bumbaclarts live fureva MCFC come on you know for the TREBLE

RASTAS sad they broke up biblical band

x RB

[Osmosis]

Banter

[Osmosis]

C5 ish? Unsure of countability

[PerhapsXarb]

The bold G2 link in HiaWG is an A2 (which should probably be in the thread imo)

Edit: also G2 should be the low of Mind Games