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Post by clem on Nov 30, 2022 13:35:20 GMT
Those chorus A4s are very good. I generally dig the song too. It really is harkening back to the earliest days of the band with the riffing this time, but the songwriting sensibility is naturally a bit more shrewd. Short and sweet. I'm interested to hear what else they've got, cos I quite enjoyed that.
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Post by Rodney Blazershorts on Dec 3, 2022 16:18:12 GMT
A4s bold af
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Post by fox on Dec 15, 2022 2:23:50 GMT
Hey, new to singing here, background in bass and guitar. I found your forum while searching Google for info on something concerning which keys Hetfield tends to sing in.
I noticed on the significant low notes that D3 lists Devil's Dance, which I just started working on using the Hal Leonard score. I was curious and checked but only saw what I think is a D4, if I'm placing the notes right on the treble clef (should be an octave lower than concert I think for male vocalists?). For instance, "I see a"... "to free the"... to confirm, that's D4?
I saw a really low spoken note though, the "dance" from "let's dance", but it shows as an E in the score, which I assume would be an E2?
Any help setting my head straight is greatly appreciated, I want to make sure I'm off to a good start, thanks!
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Post by tim on Dec 15, 2022 6:52:26 GMT
fox, yes, most of the time, on the treble clef stave, a male vocalist will sing pitches an octave lower than written. Thus when you see a middle C (= C4) on the ledger line below the treble clef stave, you sing a C3. There are exceptions, for example, "Baba O'Riley" by The Who is sung as written on the scores I have seen. Sometimes you will see a tiny little "8" hanging off the bottom of the treble clef symbol; this means sing an "8va" below ("8va" is an abbreviation for ottava - many musical phrases are Italian). Mostly, scores miss off the little "8", you're just supposed to know - can be infuriating for beginners :)
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Post by fox on Dec 15, 2022 23:27:17 GMT
Thanks for responding, yep I'd thought I had it right about the treble clef but then started to doubt everything. lol. Is there no D3 in the song then?
I ask because what's confusing me is the official scores for Devil's Dance and No Leaf Clover both have James's vocals in the key of E minor, but the guitars tuned down to D# and D, respectively. I would've thought his keys would've reflected that, and seeing D3 here for Devil's Dance made me wonder if that is the case, and the official scores merely got it wrong (although that would seem like too bad of a mistake for them to make).
Sorry for coming at it from a noob angle, just trying to wrap my head around this as I start out (I use the synthesizer to work on tuning my voice to these melodies as an initial foundation). Thanks!
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Post by fox on Dec 16, 2022 14:52:22 GMT
Sorry for hijacking the thread, just wanted to chime in to say I think I figured it out. I believe the official scores for him are actually two octaves lower than concert, so that "D4" in them was in fact the D3 appearing here in the significant low notes list. Unrelated to this on a hunch I'd gotten out my guitar tuner and realized I've been singing everything I practice an octave lower than the notes on the synth. lol So that made me see the connection to this issue here, since my voice is most similar to his. Something had felt off with the lines, too bright yet seeming kind of right, which is what made me question if it was the wrong key. Now an octave lower it feels right. Guess this officially marks the start of my notewatching journey. 
ETA: Didn't want to embarrass myself making another post, but I now found the true source of the discrepancy. I took a closer look at the guitar tablature in the score and saw the open D strings were showing as E notes on the treble staff. Apparently when they say to tune the guitars down one whole step, they also apply that to the standard notation, both for the guitars and for the vocals as well.  It seems so odd to make you mentally adjust every note down one step when they could've just written the right notes on the staff. At least through all this I learned I was singing everything one octave lower (and to actually play the melodies on the synth with the song itself to listen and see if they're in tune :sunglasses: ). |
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Post by Batfleck on Jan 3, 2023 4:09:29 GMT
G♯4s in the chorus of UFO's "It's Killing Me". There's also a short, growly E2(?) at 2:28 I think. Don't know if it's countable.
Another cover. Thin Lizzy's "Borderline". C♯3 at 1:03 and a short B2 1:24
Found a D3 from a slideup in "Seek & Destroy". Song's played a full tone lower than the original.
F♯5 in a live performance of "Hit the Lights" from a couple months ago
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Post by queenfan11 on Jan 20, 2023 3:42:12 GMT
Also, I gotta say respect to James and the band for addressing a topic as taboo as suicide openly like that. Well, they did it on "Fade to Black" nearly 40 years ago, so this isn't exactly new. Waiting for the album to drop so I can notewatch it all at once. |
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Post by kewis on Jan 20, 2023 9:38:44 GMT
Also, I gotta say respect to James and the band for addressing a topic as taboo as suicide openly like that. Well, they did it on "Fade to Black" nearly 40 years ago, so this isn't exactly new. Waiting for the album to drop so I can notewatch it all at once. To be fair "Fade to Black" isn't anywhere as open about it as this song. On another topic, while in a way even if spoken I'm glad Hetfield dropped some lows, I really hope he does sing in his very solid low register we have seen him use live these past few years in the studio. I remember being bummed that "Hardwired" only went down to D3, and in backing vocals no less. |
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Post by clem on Mar 3, 2023 14:49:12 GMT
E2s, G4s, C5s, B4s There are D3s as well in a different melody to the E2s. They're perfectly good notes, but considering how much lower he goes in backing vocals earlier in the song, they may not be all that significant. D5 at 2:28? Pretty good vocal performance, with some of those quick leaps up to B4-D5 being quite reminiscent of Ride the Lighting era James, and those E2s are smooth and have quite thicc tone. Although as a song, I preferred the first two singles, and this one feels a bit more like nondescript post-black album Metallica.
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Post by kewis on Mar 3, 2023 17:07:34 GMT
E2s, G4s, C5s, B4s There are D3s as well in a different melody to the E2s. They're perfectly good notes, but considering how much lower he goes in backing vocals earlier in the song, they may not be all that significant. D5 at 2:28? Pretty good vocal performance, with some of those quick leaps up to B4-D5 being quite reminiscent of Ride the Lighting era James, and those E2s are smooth and have quite thicc tone. Although as a song, I preferred the first two singles, and this one feels a bit more like nondescript post-black album Metallica. I found James' vocal performance here quite impressive. For a guy pushing 60 he sounds very good. I find the song to kinda be intween the Black Album and Load. Overall of the three songs they have released so far Lux AEterna is my favorite. |
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Post by kewis on Mar 8, 2023 14:40:41 GMT
I hear that E♭2s from "Enter Sandman" pretty much as italics ones actually. Agreed, those E♭2s and C♯2 from that performance of "Enter Sandman" should definitely be in italics Also as Henny Mack pointed out earlier, not sure why the low spoken notes in "Devil's Dance" aren't countable. In any case, he hits stronger ones in the demo version. 1:56, 2:52 to name a few |
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Post by Macca on Mar 14, 2023 20:44:38 GMT
Bold Suggestion: G4 from Of Wolf And Man
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Post by clem on Mar 30, 2023 16:10:37 GMT
New song, and James sounds good. Some of his most-consistent rasp post-Black Album. The song itself is solid enough. Quite standard fare modern Metallica, but not a bad example of that sound. Better than "If Darkness Had a Son", but I'm not digging it as much as "Lux Æterna" or "Screaming Suicide".
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Post by CT on Apr 14, 2023 17:27:16 GMT
New album is out, James Sounds great, although I was somewhat disappointed by his lack of much use of his recently discovered 5th octave technique (I suspect he’ll be adding those notes to live version though), every song but Lux Æterna could have been trimmed down substantially, especially the last song it kinda felt like they were falling into the modern Iron Maiden trappings, wasn’t a bad listen though
Also I think this is my first completely serious post I’ve made here
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Post by Kreuger on Apr 14, 2023 22:21:19 GMT
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Post by kewis on Apr 16, 2023 21:55:08 GMT
New album is out, James Sounds great, although I was somewhat disappointed by his lack of much use of his recently discovered 5th octave technique (I suspect he’ll be adding those notes to live version though), every song but Lux Æterna could have been trimmed down substantially, especially the last song it kinda felt like they were falling into the modern Iron Maiden trappings, wasn’t a bad listen though Also I think this is my first completely serious post I’ve made here Honestly this has been a problem since the Death Magnetic era if not before; a lot of their songs are just far too long and should be trimmed down a minute or two. |
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Post by clem on Apr 17, 2023 16:06:54 GMT
New album was much as I expected tbh.
It's decent/good-ish. On a similar level to the last two. But I don't think I'll be listening to it again in a hurry.
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Post by Batfleck on Apr 17, 2023 18:33:04 GMT
At least we have a couple songs where James sings lower in a lead vocal ( G2 (I think ?) in "Screaming Suicide" and C♯3 in "Inamorata") |
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It seems so odd to make you mentally adjust every note down one step when they could've just written the right notes on the staff. At least through all this I learned I was singing everything one octave lower (and to actually play the melodies on the synth with the song itself to listen and see if they're in tune :sunglasses: ). 
